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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 08:17 PM
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No trust me Wilwoods have a tendency to hang up and frequent cleaning and rebuilding is what you have to commit to. At least that has been my experience with the four sets I have been involved with. The ones on the Barracuda were just redone again by me. The reason is pretty simple on the rolling resistance. Aerospace brakes have piston retractors Wilwoods dont.
I am hoping that my Wilwoods stay this way for awhile. My car was to the point it took two people to even push the thing in a straight line. This winter I hope to loose the Wilwoods and get new front struts, have not decided on brakes yet but will either be Aerospace or maybe Lamb.
Not trying to bash anyone here just stating what I have seen. As for the looks thing it is like anything else in life and opinion. I personally think Lambs look best.
after a pass it's normal for disc brakes to be tight, what releases them is the run out in a rotor( very minimal). at 10 mph the calipers are moved back enough. you can't judge them by pushing a car in the pits after a run. instalation and centering the caliper is also critical. along with the correct brake fluid.
Tony I Aerospace on all 4 wheels and I can stand on the pedal hard sitting in the garage and by the time I get out of the car the pistons suck them selfs back in and you can wiggle the pads only down fall to this is that is you have to do a quick 1st pump to get the pedal up.
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 08:19 PM
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The issue with thew Wilwoods is the lack of any dust seal on the caliper pistons. They begin to stick with use, like any brake would under these conditions. Runout will cause the brakes to stick in certain spots. Mine and all the Wilwoods I have seen that have some time on them do it, not tight in spots tight throughout the entire rotation from the pistons hanging up. BTW we are not talking about after a run. It did it all the time....As have the others I have "fixed" and that is a best a temporary "fix".
Been doing this(automotive repair)a long time and the only brakes I have had this issue with is Wilwood, BTW the street kits we have done on a couple of trucks it was not an issue..Their stuff is nice dont get me wrong, but making a statement that they are no worse than others simply is not true....
The reason for the increased pedal travel on the first pump is because they use piston retractors. Some folks are not real comfortable with the pedal travel and I inform all before I suggest them. Some folks just dont like the feel on the first pump and cant get past that.
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 08:23 PM
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The issue with thew Wilwoods is the lack of any dust seal on the caliper pistons. They begin to stick with use, like any brake would under these conditions. Runout will cause the brakes to stick in certain spots. Mine and all the Wilwoods I have seen that have some time on them do it, not tight in spots tight throughout the entire rotation from the pistons hanging up. BTW we are not talking about after a run. It did it all the time....As have the others I have "fixed" and that is a best a temporary "fix".
I have personally had about 6 different sets of wilwoods and never had the first problem. maybe I am lucky. I have a set on my duster and will put another set on my challenger here very soon.
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 08:28 PM
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Good luck and enjoy then...Guess I and a number of my customers just have bad luck with them. I have probably installed at least 30 brake kits on cars in the last 6 months, including Wilwoods. I have converted more than one car from Wilwoods to something else as well, just sharing what I have experienced thats all..
BTW when was the last time you tried another brand, or Aerospace brakes for that matter? I see you are in Florida as they are..
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 08:31 PM
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Thats a nice weight savings 
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 08:34 PM
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Good luck and enjoy then...Guess I and a number of my customers just have bad luck with them. I have probably installed at least 30 brake kits on cars in the last 6 months, including Wilwoods. I have converted more than one car from Wilwoods to something else as well, just sharing what I have experienced thats all..
BTW when was the last time you tried another brand, or Aerospace brakes for that matter? I see you are in Florida as they are..
I would try them if they were not so expensive. I have really had no need to change brands though. I could care less which ones look better, it's hard to see them going down the track 
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 09:03 PM
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The Wilwoods should have pushed them out ~1/4". Aerospace - you would have saved another 8 lbs, looked nicer, gotten a discount from me, had no rolling resistance, and sucked your wheels IN 1/4". Oh well - Wilwoods still work fine.
there is no more of a resistance in wilwood vs any other brake.....
There is if your a Aerospace dealer trying to push your product...
Um - OK.
Aerospace has fully retractable piston, Wilwood does not. FACT.
Aerospace weighs 14 lbs per side, Wilwood weighs 18 lbs per side. FACT.
Looks are a preference thing. I prefer the all billet of the Aerospace.
Less than $300? Congrats to you - you got a smokin' deal that no one - including a Wilwood dealer could touch for a complete race kit. Summit's price for the comparable kit is $785. My point is that I could have saved you $85 for what amounts to a better performing kit. How am I supposed to know you paid far less than half?
I have sold more than 150 Aerospace kits, I even replaced the rear Wilwoods on my own car with them. Every single customer I have had who used Wilwoods, and my own personal experience, is that they will begin dragging (nowhere near as bad as factory discs mind you). So, IMHO, Wilwoods having some drag is more the norm than the exception.
Now as for your comment of me bashing Wilwood - you are very mistaken. I have NEVER bashed a competitive product and do not believe in that. I was stating the facts (OK - the appearance is subjective). I pride myself on taking the absolute best care of my customers - so please do not call my intentions into question.
Wilwood is a fine brake and will work. But my point to you is that you have access to an Aerospace dealer who would provide you world class service, a pricing deal, on an overall better product. That's all - nothing more. I'm glad you got a great deal - everyone needs to save some money these days.
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 09:19 PM
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I would try them if they were not so expensive.
Wilwood Mopar front race kit, Summit $785
Aerospace Mopar front race kit, Retail $750, your special Moparts discounted price $700.
which ones are you talking about? page 244 summit mag, wil-140-5255B dana rear brakes- the lightest kit in all of drag racing. $486.95 with out my super class discount
wil-140-2726-B chrysler E body front drag kit $682 with out my discount 
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 09:24 PM
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Good luck and enjoy then...Guess I and a number of my customers just have bad luck with them. I have probably installed at least 30 brake kits on cars in the last 6 months, including Wilwoods. I have converted more than one car from Wilwoods to something else as well, just sharing what I have experienced thats all..
BTW when was the last time you tried another brand, or Aerospace brakes for that matter? I see you are in Florida as they are..
I would try them if they were not so expensive. I have really had no need to change brands though. I could care less which ones look better, it's hard to see them going down the track
Tony if you tried a set of Areospace, you would never own a Wilwood again.Since you use Wilwood,have you ever called them?  Areospace customer service is the best. PS They do look nicer also with spoked rims 
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 11:02 PM
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The biggest reason I went with Wilwoods was because the guy at Aerospace in Florida gave me a real hard time about my spindles.He said they had to have them sent to them to match up the brakes correctly.I understood the reason for what he was saying,but I also KNEW what was on my car,and told him so,we've had the car over 30 years,but he didn't want to listen,so Hot Rods USA got my business.
My Wilwoods spin freely.I took a lot of time to ensure that the wheel bearings were adjusted properly and that the calipers were centered over the rotors.I cannot say they spin the same as the Aerospace,as I've never used them.
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 11:05 PM
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I would try them if they were not so expensive.
Wilwood Mopar front race kit, Summit $785
Aerospace Mopar front race kit, Retail $750, your special Moparts discounted price $700.
which ones are you talking about? page 244 summit mag, wil-140-5255B dana rear brakes- the lightest kit in all of drag racing. $486.95 with out my super class discount
wil-140-2726-B chrysler E body front drag kit $682 with out my discount
I thought we were comparing front kits.
The Aerospace rear race kit for a Mopar retails for $509, your discounted price from me is $459. And the Aerospace rear brakes are 3lbs per side lighter than the Wilwoods as those are the same Wilwoods I took off my car when I put the Aerospace ones on it.
On the front kit, the part number your provided is for a solid rotor - the Aerospace rotor is cross-drilled. Therefore, apples - oranges. The part number for the Wilwood cross-drilled option is the same one, but with a D added at the end: wil-140-2726-BD - and the price on that is $785.95 - which is what I originally provided.
I'm not knocking Wilwood at all, I just think the Aerospace brakes are better as is the customer service from the manufacturer. That's why I'm a dealer for them. If I thought Wilwood's were better, I would be a dealer for them. I'm not knocking them at all - WWs are a fine brake. This is a very similar debate as to who makes the best torque converter.
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 11:09 PM
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The biggest reason I went with Wilwoods was because the guy at Aerospace in Florida gave me a real hard time about my spindles.He said they had to have them sent to them to match up the brakes correctly.I understood the reason for what he was saying,but I also KNEW what was on my car,and told him so,we've had the car over 30 years,but he didn't want to listen,so Hot Rods USA got my business.
My Wilwoods spin freely.I took a lot of time to ensure that the wheel bearings were adjusted properly and that the calipers were centered over the rotors.I cannot say they spin the same as the Aerospace,as I've never used them.
Hey Chris - yes they do that, which is a pain. I'm one of, if not the, only dealers that is allowed to not send my customer's spindles in. I generally take my time and do a measurement template to verify what's on the car.
The result of that process is that every Mopar front kit I sell is a custom kit fit to that spindle so OEM variation is removed from the mix.
Personally, I think they should trust guys to know what they have, but they were burned too many times. And I can say that I have had more than one case where a customer told me he had one thing and the measurements proved he had something else. Not often, but it has happened. I absolutely refuse to subject my customers to having to pull their spindles and send them at their expense. I have taken the time to do the template and so far it has worked flawlessly.
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 11:26 PM
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Totally understand and also why they do it that way.But as I posted,I knew what is on my car.I really tried to work with them,but it didn't happen.
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 11:34 PM
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No worries, My shoe box nova had aerospace, (I didnt like the pedal travel issue, although I understood it) But they worked great, but the stock junk worked great too... Guess my point of the post wasnt saying how great wilwwods are or arent, It was the fact that for $300 (bought them new at spring fling last year) I lost 40 LBS! Its crazy people spend so much $$$ to loose so little weight... Guess I never realized how heavy the stock stuff was...
So lil Demon, isnt the weight difference because they are all non vented rotors? just curious, being that the car is regularly street driven...
I must have missed the vented rotor bit. Yes - the weight savings would be identical on the front street kits. The AC street rears are still a touch lighter than WW, but I believe only a pound or so.
BTW - I really did not mean to come across as bashing you. You got a good product at a great price and that is never a bad thing.
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/15/09 11:35 PM
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Totally understand and also why they do it that way. But as I posted,I knew what is on my car.I really tried to work with them,but it didn't happen.
Completely agree - I think there needs to be some degree of trust.
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Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!
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01/17/09 01:20 AM
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IMHO, that pedal pump would really suck when bracket racing. When approaching the line I need my brakes ready for action and I want to know where the pedal is. If I have to remember to pump the pedal during the run it's just another way to screw up. Is there any way to minimize the retraction? Saving weight is great, but the lighter the brakes are the quicker they'll heat up and the sooner they'll fade. There's definitely a trade-off there.  "The reason for the increased pedal travel on the first pump is because they use piston retractors. Some folks are not real comfortable with the pedal travel and I inform all before I suggest them. Some folks just dont like the feel on the first pump and cant get past that."
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