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How much boost will it hold. #1888436
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Just wondering, I have a stock 66 Hemi block and heads, thinking of throwing a set of twin 83mm turbos on it. I don't want to hurt this motor as I have quite a bit money in it but would like to step up the power and maybe do drag week. How much power and boost is it capable of handling safely. 66 block .045 over, cast heads, original crank std std, eagle rods, diamond pistons 9.5 to 1 pump gas right now. Thinking of going EFI and adding the twins. Car is full body 69 Cuda fastback with a Dana and a stick right now will go Bruno Lenco if I do the turbos.

Just trying to get some advice here as to what kind of numbers I will be safe at with a good tune.

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I have no idea, just regurgitating what I've read on here but I think I've read 1000HP ish (maybe more since you want to go turbos and popular opinion is they're easier on parts). I know you've stated you have a lot of $ in it but have you considered going with an aftermarket block? With what you could sell a good original Hemi block for, I'd imagine you could almost pay for a KB block. It would also take ALOT more punishment.

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Original Hemi blocks have been pushed pretty hard... 1500+ HP in top fuel dragsters for example (for certain number of runs... after which they cracked).

If you give it a try, probably should change at least the piston for lower CR. I don't think big boost likes 9.5:1. Also for drag week, isn't that mostly a pump gas deal? How to handle potential detonation? Can you run race fuel on the track? Or water/methanol injection?

Rule of thumb with turbos... plan to build one engine to get the bugs out of the setup, blow it up, and a second to actually run.

Agree do you really want start with a vintage block?

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I have thought of that, but then that's a whole bunch more machine work and then I know me it would be a bunch of other new parts and things would really get out of hand and I just can't afford that. I really like having this motor, took me along time to be able to find a block this nice and be able build a real Hemi instead of a crate motor. I really want to keep this motor just like knowing its the real deal.

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I'm not looking for a max effort program just something cool that's why I'm asking where I will be safe at. I have a very experienced tuner working with me so I'm pretty confident in building a safe tune up to start with as long as i know what parameters to stay with in.

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I say ask Don Garlits lol! Honestly the Eagle rods are probably the weak link in that combo. What are they good for? 700HP? A turbo app can with the right tune up make weak parts last in a lot of cases. Sorry no real answer, but if the rods were tossed for Carrillo's or equal, I would say 1000hp all day long.


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Are you going to intercool it? If not I would limit the boost to 7 or 8 lbs on pump gas, no more than that with what you have now tsk twocents Do you know for sure that the true mechanical compression ratio is 9.5 to 1 ? Or is that what the piston are suppose to give you work Hemi motors(Hemiroids motorswhistling) are tough to get the exact compression ratio figure correctly, you need to do a dome volume check with the pistons in the cylinders to get the exact amount of CC that those piston domes have and then go from there scope up IHTHs up


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Thanks for the info guy's cylinders were cc'd by my builder to make sure we were going to be ok, I don't have the specific numbers with me but 9.5 is pretty close, just under actually. Rods I don't have an issue changing nor pistons I will look into those. Yes it will get an intercooler and duel fuel systems so while making boost it will be able to run race fuel when needed. Like I said before just don't want to hurt the Block so adding good internals would be ok and shouldn't be too much money in the scheme of things will probably need to change cam as well I guess.

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I would run what you have. I like all the parts you have as long as the rod bolts are good. I had good luck running 30 psi on a stock 440 block.
Now i have a good block so I'm going to turn it up.

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Yes all good arp hardware was used.

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You should be good to 20 psi of fun and be reliable.

I run a turbo, indy headed big block with efi and Bruno/Lenco. It's 1500HP

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Sounds like a fun piece what do you have that in.

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On your deal with a valueable stock block I would limit the boost to 10 to 12 lbs with a good intercooler on pump gas, that should make over 1000 HP up As far as your EFI system make sure and get one with two or three bar MAP sensor scope I would want the computer to have a mainifold temperture sensor also to help control detonation, maybe even a knock sensor also up As far as the cam don't get confused on that issue, the valve lay out in the hemi chambers are not condusive to wide lobe seperations, especially under boost twocents I've built several roots blown Gen 11 pump gas street hemi motors, one(484C.I.) made 927 HP on CA pump swill at 7300 RPM with 7 lbs of boost, the other one (499 C.I.)made over 1300 HP at 7000 RPM on race gas and 20 lbs of boost shruggy The turbo are way better when it comes to making boost up


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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
On your deal with a valueable stock block I would limit the boost to 10 to 12 lbs with a good intercooler on pump gas, that should make over 1000 HP up As far as your EFI system make sure and get one with two or three bar MAP sensor scope I would want the computer to have a mainifold temperture sensor also to help control detonation, maybe even a knock sensor also up As far as the cam don't get confused on that issue, the valve lay out in the hemi chambers are not condusive to wide lobe seperations, especially under boost twocents I've built several roots blown Gen 11 pump gas street hemi motors, one(484C.I.) made 927 HP on CA pump swill at 7300 RPM with 7 lbs of boost, the other one (499 C.I.)made over 1300 HP at 7000 RPM on race gas and 20 lbs of boost shruggy The turbo are way better when it comes to making boost up


Thanks for the info. My tuner has lots of experience with building these type of systems and tuning them and that's pretty much what he has said as far as maps and sensors go. He is just limited on experience in the Hemi world so just trying to gain as much knowledge about the actual engine limitations as possible, then we can gather the correct parts and go to town so to speak.

What type of trans did you run with those combos? I'm thinking Bruno Lenco but also thought about a Liberty clutchless 5 speed. I want something I won't break and something I can drive on the street.

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I would stick a low gear glide in it.


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One of those motors, the bigger one, went in a car with a Mikes Transmission Monster Glide in it, the other one had a 5 speed Liberty, I think confused The smaller motor was never driven by the owner I built that motor for, he sold the car to a Chef in Palm Spring, CA. before finishing it whiney It was in one of the Mopar magazine last year( Mopar Action, Feb. 2014) 1971 Orange Cuda, the motor information is all wrong in the article down I didn't talk to the new owner so maybe he doesn't really know much about the motor shruggy Both cars where more for show than driving runaway shruggy


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My only issue with a Glide is cruising on the streets with it. Of course I'm always thinking in terms of N/A and a big converter which won't be the case going boosted but a 2 speed my not like cruising to much.

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Originally Posted By FastmOp
I would stick a low gear glide in it.



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I run a 3 speed Lenco and love my Bruno trans break. If your not worried about the price there hard to beat.

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lol, price is always an issue but I'm a believer in doing it right the first time, breaking stuff always leads to more cubic dollars spent than putting the right parts in the first time.

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After the car is built upgrade the motor. That's how I did it.

I picked my car up from a junkyard and built everything with the plan of racing it. Took several years but was fun building it.

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That's the problem I just got the car together and now I'm getting crazy thoughts to add the turbo's we have laying around.

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Post pics. Sounds tuff

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I don't know how to post pics on here I have a build thread on A bodys. Hemi Cuda just for fun.

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I had 43 runs on my stock block combo. Hit 30 psi on most of those. My short block is fine but I pulled it and went aluminum block to feel better about it living.

I knew it was on borrowed time, didn't want to ruin a good engine. But it let me sort out my homebuilt car and make runs for seat time. If you keep it at 15-20 psi with a good efi tune you should live a long time. But you plan on racing it so there's always the chance.

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