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Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
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Ok, just asking if there is any real advantage to pulling the front end up in the air 5+ feet when you launch at the lights. There is no doubt it looks cool, but what about landing, won't you smash something? not too cool then.. plus aren't you loosing time by going up instead of going out? Just looking for opinions for a real race application. Thanks.
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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Some cars 60' better when doing a wheelie(dont know about 5'). Most of the time the front end sets down nice and smooth so normally nothing gets smashed but yes they look cool also 
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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01/07/09 10:49 AM
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IMO it takes power to pull the front end up, that power could better be utilized put into forward motion. Wheelie bars are for a purpose of not only to limit upward motion but to help promote the forward motion. Yes high fronts can/do cause breakage.
Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks.
But: Don't fix it, if it Works!
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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Also there is more than 1 kind of wheelie. You have a car that just yanks the front end straight up out of the lights, usually they fall back down fairly quick, then you have the car that slowly brings them up while traveling forward, these cars usually set them down nice and easy
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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01/07/09 11:06 AM
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Cars that are limited to a stock type suspension usually benfit from that kind of weight transfer. My car wont 60 unless it does stand up. With a limited tire it sometimes has to be that way. As far as smashing something a car that is designed to wheelstand will usually power right through to a smooth touchdown as stated above. If the car looses bite or some other thing happens when the front end is up then we are at the mercy of Sir Isaac Newton and his laws.
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
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01/07/09 03:04 PM
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Cars that are limited to a stock type suspension usually benfit from that kind of weight transfer. My car wont 60 unless it does stand up. With a limited tire it sometimes has to be that way. As far as smashing something a car that is designed to wheelstand will usually power right through to a smooth touchdown as stated above. If the car looses bite or some other thing happens when the front end is up then we are at the mercy of Sir Isaac Newton and his laws.
 I do it cause it looks cool.We can carry them a long ways as long as nothing breaks or someone gets off the pedal. 
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
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01/07/09 03:11 PM
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Cars that are limited to a stock type suspension usually benfit from that kind of weight transfer. My car wont 60 unless it does stand up. With a limited tire it sometimes has to be that way. As far as smashing something a car that is designed to wheelstand will usually power right through to a smooth touchdown as stated above. If the car looses bite or some other thing happens when the front end is up then we are at the mercy of Sir Isaac Newton and his laws.
I do it cause it looks cool.We can carry them a long ways as long as nothing breaks or someone gets off the pedal.
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
[Re: Florida_70Bee]
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01/07/09 03:29 PM
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Usually depends on the power level. If the car has enough power to work the tire and the chassis, all that weight transfer is not needed and is just wasted motion. Lower powered cars need the weight transfer to plant the tire and work the suspension. I will catch flack for this next comment, but don't care. IMO, if your car runs 9s and it has to carry the frontend fairly high to 60ft good, it is setup wrong. Gear, converter, suspension, something is wrong. SS/AH cars always get mentioned in this debate. Some carry the front, some don't, so they can work either way, but in my own experience, the closer you keep the tires to the ground, the quicker you go. Tack a sail on the front of your car for 80 feet and see if it slows it down. I'm betting yes.
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
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01/07/09 03:36 PM
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Usually depends on the power level. If the car has enough power to work the tire and the chassis, all that weight transfer is not needed and is just wasted motion. Lower powered cars need the weight transfer to plant the tire and work the suspension. I will catch flack for this next comment, but don't care. IMO, if your car runs 9s and it has to carry the frontend fairly high to 60ft good, it is setup wrong. Gear, converter, suspension, something is wrong.
Monte
Our best ETs are when we footbrake and keep the front low,anything over 2' or 3' the ET drops.Dragging the back bumper can cost us 2 to 3 tenths if not more. We do it for the show 
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
[Re: B G Racing]
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01/07/09 03:47 PM
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I still contend that a nice floating type lift is the best for ET. Anything more is show. Like BG said.
Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks.
But: Don't fix it, if it Works!
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
[Re: sixpackbee]
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01/07/09 04:13 PM
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And if you watch further Stock and S/S racing you will notice that when automatic car launches the front wheels will hang much further down from the body on a wheelstand than a wheelstand from a Manual transmission car. (I'm not sure for the reason for this though but assume
There should be no difference. If you watch like body styles you should see this. We are not allowed any type of limiter and the suspensions in Stock have to be stock. SS cars are allowed a few more things which can limit the wheel travel.
We tighten up the shocks and torsion bars to control the wheelstand.A lot of SS cars have a screw type of adjuster and a adjustable rebound to limit seperation collaspe(referring to mopar)
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
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01/07/09 04:24 PM
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Bob looking at your picture it looks like my harmless low compression 340 can hang the hoops as high as your car with that funny looking big engine in there.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off.. why?
[Re: John_Kunkel]
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IMO it takes power to pull the front end up, that power could better be utilized put into forward motion.
I love to quote the late Gary Ormsby...."Wheel stands are caused by lack of power". 
John, you have no idea how hard it is to convince most people of that very fact.
Monte
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Re: Question about pulling the front end on take off..
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01/07/09 06:26 PM
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Bob looking at your picture it looks like my harmless low compression 340 can hang the hoops as high as your car with that funny looking big engine in there.
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