There is a guy who sells a one piece rear main seal. You put one cut in it.
Not sure if it will help. I still think you have to find the errors first.

Ran engine on the dyno for 90 mins. Performed 8 tests. NO LEAKS!!!!! NO LEAKS!!!!! Not a single drop!!

What did I do this time? Three things in conjunction.

1: Machine backside of #5 cap for more oil escape clearance

2: Install new normal black seals as Monte suggested

3: Omit OEM windage tray

While I was skeptical Monte's method would work--apparently it does. My hunch though tells me the windage tray was the real culprit. Don't know for sure at this point. Greatest Friday ever. Thanks for everyone's help and thoughts and possibly prayers. J.Rob

Glad you fixed it..........but I can pretty much assure you that the windage tray was NOT the problem............LOL!!!

Congrats!

WINNER! WINNER! CHICKEN DINNER! glad you fixed the problem. one heck of a learning experience.

Glad to hear you made some leak free pulls... now I'm wondering
what the REAL fix was/is

Glad to hear you got this fixed. I am now breathing a sigh of relief for you and all your frustrations that you went through. So the seal is installed 90* from normal?
When I started reading this thread and all the work that you went through, in, out, tear down, put back together, dyno again etc... to fix that leak, my thoughts were "this guy cares and goes the extra mile for his customers". Just curious now, who bit the bullet on this one, you, customer, or both. I am 4 hours away from you and am seriously considering using you for my machine work on the gen 3 hemi that is going to start sooner or later, just because of your work ethic and meticulous detail.

Congrats on getting that thing sealed up Jesse

I know it had to be frustrating

Time for a cold one !



Ron

Care to make a wager? I still could install tray and test. Seriously though thankyou, Monte. I doubt I would have ever considered arranging seals that way. J.Rob

Boy you aren't kidding about the learning experience. I have to give the customer some credit here actually. He is an older gentleman that did not pressure or belittle even once. He and I relayed experiences back and forth over the course of this saga and I could not have asked for a better person to have this happen to. I know that sounds bad, but HE supplied the billet Mancini retainer-which leaked worse than ever. HE supplied 3 oil pan gaskets. He supplied fuel when it wasn't even asked for. HE made countless trips to the shop and he exhausted every one of his resources trying to resolve this problem, all the while remaining in good spirits. J.Rob

Thankyou Onig,

Thankyou so much. I do care. I cannot just give up without knowing the answer. I will share that when I dyno'd it this last Wed and it leaked, I texted the customer right away. He texted back--"What's next?" I responded with "A 20 foot tree limb and a 10 foot rope". There were some dark moments to be sure.

To answer your question: The customer ate it in terms of some parts, and time and anguish. I ate it in the same fashion. I cannot charge someone that has entrusted me because of my expertise in a given area and I fail to deliver. This was in NO way shape or form the customers fault. I am just glad to have solved the problem. 12 pan gaskets, 3 intake valley pan gaskets, 1 set of rings and 7 rear main seals later..

Lucky for you member MattW here and I are about to embark on G3 HEMI development. Thanks J.Rob

That is correct. The seals are test installed in a pic above. J.Rob

Thankyou Ron! I am currently about 3 Bud tallboys in.

p.s. How did your 440 Stealth headed project turn out? J.Rob

Curious. Which seal retainer did you end up using?

My son and I were at MattW's place last year on his Indy head transaction. Looking forward to the Gen 3 development.

Reconditioned stock one. J.Rob

Great! Matt and I have known and grown with each other for about 13 or so years now. We have big things in the works concerning G3's. J.Rob

Just curious which windage tray WAS used - some the louvers aren't real tall and oil can pool up ?

I guess the fix was add more or open the louvers wider to improve drain back.

you mentioned the glyptol did that have any effect ?

do you have a rope seal you can install?