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Re: organisol black? [Re: quick77rt ] #184399
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We painted the organisol tonight (db12 and I) used Tom's method only we did not wait a full 30 minutes between coats, but enough to dry to the touch and it looks great! Out of all the times spraying it through the years this by far looks the best! Highly recommend the black base coat as we found out quickly it's very hard to cover after thinning 150%. Thanks again Tom!

Re: organisol black? [Re: indytex96] #184400
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It had so much gloss to it that we had to dry mist it to try and tone it down and still were not totally pleased with it.


When you say IT what paint are you talking about the dupont hot rod black or the PPG enamal organsol?

Re: organisol black? [Re: 340SIX] #184401
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Kevin, Ive used SEM Hot Rod black, Its a urethane, it's not bad but no texture and a bit to glossy for my taste.

Autocolorlibrary.com has a textured 30% gloss urethane in there Hot Rod Flatz line.

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I was referring to the hot rod black. We've never tried the ppg enamel, just the lacquer.

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Tex, you should post a pic of the hood when you get a chance.

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Re: organisol black? [Re: ThermoQuad] #184405
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If you want the 88% correct textured finish you must use DDL9355 Lacquer. 88% correct because the texture additive changed slightly from the orig. If you want the catalyzed, semi-gloss, smooth sheen finish enamel it's DCC9355...


Anyone have a the mixing formula for the DCC?

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heres the ddl formula

Strong black DMA358 794.5
Coarse Poly DMA349 24.4
Texture DMA364 171.1

Re: organisol black? [Re: AdamR] #184407
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Adam Thanks But I have a can with that on it with like half a quart left in it and they can not get the swade or what ever to mix some more.
So was looking for the new single stage DCC that he was talking about if it is better than the dupont singke stage hot rod black.

Re: organisol black? [Re: 340SIX] #184408
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I sprayed a Charger fiberglass hood and set of valve covers with nos organisol DDL9355. Yes I said valve covers.

It took almost a qt of paint using a HVLP spraygun laying down 6 coats to obtain proper coverage. It was put over black epoxy primer. The texture is quite different from the currently available PPG lacquer mix. The pictures do not do the "look" justice.

Tech notes:

I used "retarder" [slows the drying time, adds gloss]

I made 6 passes, thinning as I went-Cross coating

I spent a lot of time setting up the work area.

It was 60 degrees.


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Disclaimer: I am not a professional painter nor an expert

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One more...
btw real organisol is irridescent...

This is a very nice fiberglass hood by Glastek.
I cut the holes for the turn signals and drilled the hood pin holes...

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Tom Quad, I like the valve covers you did

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Quote:

I sprayed a Charger fiberglass hood and set of valve covers with nos organisol DDL9355. Yes I said valve covers.

It took almost a qt of paint using a HVLP spraygun laying down 6 coats to obtain proper coverage. It was put over black epoxy primer. The texture is quite different from the currently available PPG lacquer mix. The pictures do not do the "look" justice.

Tech notes:

I used "retarder" [slows the drying time, adds gloss]

I made 6 passes, thinning as I went-Cross coating

I spent a lot of time setting up the work area.

It was 60 degrees.






looks real good. I got a qt of organisol from totally auto. i hope it looks as good as those pics you posted.

Re: organisol black? [Re: ThermoQuad] #184414
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Tom,I'm not beeing a smart-a$$,but how long has it been since you have sprayed the organisol ? I'd like to see the hood after 10 years, if you have catalized version, it should be fine, but if it's raw lacquer,I don't think it's such a good idea to lay on so many coats especially wet on wet,I wouldn't touch lacquer with a 10 foot stick,but that's just my opinion

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DDL 9355 Organisol is very thin paint before you even thin it the required 125-150% or more. To get enough fill of "texture per square inch" it requires more than several passes...and it does not go on thick even wet so you can make 6 passes or more. You need to put it over a well dried black epoxy primer or semi gloss black lacquer if the primer is not black. Remember the flakes need to lay down in the paint not stand on edge so the paint must go on wet and thin.

I can show you the same exact organisol formula painted by me around 1984 the exact same way as yesterday currently covering the hood & fender tops of my AAR. It now has well over 60,000 miles of wear on it and could use a refresh but still looks good. See April 2004 MCG magazine cover and story.

I'll bet ya didn't know that over time Organisol wears as it ages from washing the car, driving it in the rain [imagine that] or when you wipe it down with a califonia duster. Is that worn effect patina???

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It's interesting that it has held up without cracking and splitting the paint or primer under the organisol for so long,I just never like the idea of spraying anything over old or dry lacquer,as it would soften up and possibly shift with so much thinner from organisol sitting on it ,knowing the lacquer is not catalized

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