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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: B3RE] #1835296
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Much better pictures than what I saw at BSD! Really enjoyed our talk, Mike. That is a ton of work. Don't you love parts that offer a "Bolt on performance increase"!


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: Airwoofer] #1835340
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Originally Posted By Airwoofer
Good luck getting a spring pressure measuring tool in there!
The stands aren't any wider than the original hold downs, so I doubt he will have any trouble there.


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1835345
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Not my Victors, but I'm still interested in this thread.

Is that combination going to need valve cover spacers now?


He has pretty tall fabbed valve covers, so I doubt it. The real problem is side clearance. Edelbrock raised the rail on these heads, but they went straight up instead of on the incline of the valve, and that crowds the tail end of the rocker. You definitely couldn't use a cast cover.


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Yeah Mike, the fabbed covers have that reverse lip. If the rockers weren't so darned long, some of those issues could be eliminated.


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: B3RE] #1835347
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This thread reminds me of something I forgot to do...

Very cool pics and info sir. Very similar to my stuff sans the stands.



Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: clonestocker] #1835351
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Originally Posted By clonestocker
B3RE,

Love your threads and you did some work for a buddy in Tucson. My question would be wouldn't a shorter valve help the situation out? I'm sure the valve lift has something to do with the length of valve that can be used? Just curious. thx matt

Yes Matt, a shorter valve would have made it less "off", but he was shooting for that elusive 2.00" installed height to run that much lift. Getting 2.100" will be rough with that valve cover rail location. There likely won't be room for that much offset.


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: GTS340] #1835353
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Originally Posted By GTS340
Very nice work Mike!
Seems like I remember a certain genius member calling your product "snake oil" and saying that your attention to detail on rocker geometry offers no benefit, I wonder what his view would be on this specific application.

Shhhhhhh! I use the snake oil as a machining lubricant.


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: BradH] #1835361
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Originally Posted By BradH
Oh, don't forget to drill & tap the center stud location to accept the longer studs like in the #2 & #4 shaft hold-down positions. There have been a number of center pedestal cracking reports on here, and I wouldn't run a Victor head w/o this mod now. twocents

I didn't drill the center deeper, but it has the additional support screws in the three center stands, so it is very rigid. I know the center stand is thin, but I have to wonder if the cracking issue isn't from valvetrain instability. After all, it breaks enough other parts.


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: poboyengineering] #1835363
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Thanks Tom, I enjoyed the conversation as well. Amazing how much better digital pics look out of the bright sunshine.


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: Jeremiah] #1835369
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Originally Posted By Jeremiah
This thread reminds me of something I forgot to do...

Very cool pics and info sir. Very similar to my stuff sans the stands.
Hey Jeremiah, didn't you beat on that thing yet?


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: B3RE] #1835370
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That's some nice looking quality work. I like how the bottoms are done vs like the offset W2 stands which are flat as you know. I don't know how anyone would expect them not to take a lot of work to set them up correctly.

If you can post it whats the spring height and are they longer then delived valves? I don't know BB specs but just wondering.

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Originally Posted By Porter67
That's some nice looking quality work. I like how the bottoms are done vs like the offset W2 stands which are flat as you know. I don't know how anyone would expect them not to take a lot of work to set them up correctly.

If you can post it whats the spring height and are they longer then delived valves? I don't know BB specs but just wondering.


Thanks for the compliments guys!
The engine builder was shooting for a 2.00" installed height, and the valves were Ferrea and REV. The customer bought the heads CNC ported bare from Hughes, so the valves are the builders choice. I don't think they are much longer, if any, than stock Edelbrocks, because he he still needed that deep retainer to get the 2.00". I only moved the rockers to where they needed to be to get the proper geometry.


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: B3RE] #1835411
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Jeez, that's a he11uva lot of work to get that combination straightened out.

My stock-valve (Edelbrock supplied) Victors w/ the Hughes rockers didn't look nearly that jacked up when I mocked 'em up. Mine are set up for a 1.900" installed height using ti retainers and +.050" locks.

I'll still look for what they'd need to optimize the geometry, though.

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Originally Posted By BradH
Jeez, that's a he11uva lot of work to get that combination straightened out.

My stock-valve (Edelbrock supplied) Victors w/ the Hughes rockers didn't look nearly that jacked up when I mocked 'em up. Mine are set up for a 1.900" installed height using ti retainers and +.050" locks.

I'll still look for what they'd need to optimize the geometry, though.
It was a lot of work, but they were for an 8 sec., 10.5 tire car. The builder wanted the best that the customer could afford.

I'd be willing to bet yours are still off a good bit, even at 1.900", but like Jeremiah's Victors with Hughes rockers, it should be a lot less work. It just doesn't make sense to spend a lot of money on good parts, and then not have them set up correctly.


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: B3RE] #1835556
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Should have just went B1s more up front but ALOT less machine work.

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Originally Posted By Randy..
Should have just went B1s more up front but ALOT less machine work.
That would have required different pistons and other specialized parts. From the story I got, he was running Indys and the seats fell out of them, so he went Edelbrock.


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Good buisiness for you, great work.

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Originally Posted By Randy..
Good buisiness for you, great work.
Thanks Randy.


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: B3RE] #1835653
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Looks plenty stout, Mike. With the lift stated and good care, the valve train ought to live to a ripe old age!


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Originally Posted By gregsdart
Looks plenty stout, Mike. With the lift stated and good care, the valve train ought to live to a ripe old age!
I hope so Greg. I know the customer isn't anxious to spend more money on the valvetrain any time soon. Can't say that I blame him.


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Re: Another Edelbrock Victor Saga [Re: B3RE] #1835740
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very good work!!!!!


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