Re: 400 230 block
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I've never heard of it, but I'm no expert on the subject, either. Have you seen the block? Do you know the casting number on the side of the block, and the casting date? Are there any numbers/symbols stamped on the machined pad by the distributor hole? Have you personally measured the bores?
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Re: 400 230 block
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Dave Wren was ask by Mopar to run a 1971 Cuda 383 in SS/I and SS/H that the drag team had developed for SS to race agianst the 350 Chevy Camaro, it was a unbored 400 block according to him bored to 383 specs. He removed all casting numbers and casting marks on it so he wouldn't get bounce for having the wrong block in that car. Joe Alread was given a 1972 RR for a magazine car project that ended up being a rocket ship also I have heard the 230 casting storyies in some late 1971 383 cars also Daves race motor was bored .060 to 4.310 for that project, it was a rocket ship
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Re: 400 230 block
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i'm looking to buy a 400 block that is a 230 casting. this block is a 4.25 bore like a 383 block. this part is confusing me as i've never heard of a 383 bore sized 230 block. i'm told by the seller it's a special Super Stock block from back in the day. any body here know anything about this type of thing? if you do can you enlighten me please? I've heard of those blocks before. I believe it was more a model year crossover and warranty thing than anything special. Let me guess, since the seller states this a "special" block it has a premium price attached to it? You live in Straya, right? Can't be cheap getting a block there. If I were you I'd insist any block you buy be sonic checked first, unless you don't mind paying shipping fees for junk.
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Re: 400 230 block
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i'm looking to buy a 400 block that is a 230 casting. this block is a 4.25 bore like a 383 block. this part is confusing me as i've never heard of a 383 bore sized 230 block. i'm told by the seller it's a special Super Stock block from back in the day. any body here know anything about this type of thing? if you do can you enlighten me please? I've heard of those blocks before. I believe it was more a model year crossover and warranty thing than anything special. Let me guess, since the seller states this a "special" block it has a premium price attached to it? You live in Straya, right? Can't be cheap getting a block there. If I were you I'd insist any block you buy be sonic checked first, unless you don't mind paying shipping fees for junk. no i'm not in Straya but just across the ditch. it costs more to ship an engine across the US than it does to get from Ca. to NZ. i can't find any information regarding 383 230 blocks & i'm hoping one of the renown engine guys can help. i'm in serious need of a good 400 block if you know of any. Reb.
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Re: 400 230 block
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i'm looking to buy a 400 block that is a 230 casting. this block is a 4.25 bore like a 383 block. this part is confusing me as i've never heard of a 383 bore sized 230 block. i'm told by the seller it's a special Super Stock block from back in the day. any body here know anything about this type of thing? if you do can you enlighten me please? I've heard of those blocks before. I believe it was more a model year crossover and warranty thing than anything special. Let me guess, since the seller states this a "special" block it has a premium price attached to it? You live in Straya, right? Can't be cheap getting a block there. If I were you I'd insist any block you buy be sonic checked first, unless you don't mind paying shipping fees for junk. no i'm not in Straya but just across the ditch. it costs more to ship an engine across the US than it does to get from Ca. to NZ. i can't find any information regarding 383 230 blocks & i'm hoping one of the renown engine guys can help. i'm in serious need of a good 400 block if you know of any. Reb. The 383 230 block is the same block as the 400 230 block , it just has a smaller bore. When the blocks are cast the bore is undersize to begin with .
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Re: 400 230 block
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I'm building my stroker from one of the early block as we speak. I took my original from my car and put it under the bench since it was a later block without the extra beef. Ron
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Re: 400 230 block
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I'm building my stroker from one of the early block as we speak. I took my original from my car and put it under the bench since it was a later block without the extra beef. Ron I own one of these blocks, but it would need several sleeves. Is it worth it?
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Re: 400 230 block
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My pump gas Duster motor was a 1976 630 400 block that ended up needing four sleeves, head gasket blew out between #4 and #6 and tore the deck up between them needing to be repaired and sleeved, # 7 and # 1 cylinders where rust pitted bad enough the only way to save them was with two sleeves. That was the only 400 block I could find at that time so I had 4 ductile iron sleeves put in and ran the dog doodoo out of that motor, reringed once and like it a lot Make sure and have the sleeves installed before boring the other cylinders
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Re: 400 230 block
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I'm building my stroker from one of the early block as we speak. I took my original from my car and put it under the bench since it was a later block without the extra beef. Ron Somebody help me out here as it's been a while since I owned one of these blocks, and I don't want to spread misinformation. I seem to remember the early 230 blocks having small font and the later version large font. The description in the attachment has it the other way around. Which is correct? JohnRR?
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Re: 400 230 block
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I'm building my stroker from one of the early block as we speak. I took my original from my car and put it under the bench since it was a later block without the extra beef. Ron I own one of these blocks, but it would need several sleeves. Is it worth it? FWIW, the local Hemi legend sleeves all 8 cylinders -- on purpose. Nothing wrong with sleeves.
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Re: 400 230 block
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I'm building my stroker from one of the early block as we speak. I took my original from my car and put it under the bench since it was a later block without the extra beef. Ron Somebody help me out here as it's been a while since I owned one of these blocks, and I don't want to spread misinformation. I seem to remember the early 230 blocks having small font and the later version large font. The description in the attachment has it the other way around. Which is correct? JohnRR? The info in my post is the only way I have ever seen it, Large font on the early thick blocks (my stroker is cast 6-28-71) Small font on the later blocks (my original engine is cast Jan or Feb. of 72) Ron
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Re: 400 230 block
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There seems to be a legitimate contradiction here...
Could the cut off date be questionable, too? The cutoff I'm pretty sure is an absolute, BUT it's just a matter of looking at the webs .
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Re: 400 230 block
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There seems to be a legitimate contradiction here...
Could the cut off date be questionable, too? The cutoff I'm pretty sure is an absolute, BUT it's just a matter of looking at the webs . I agree, John. It's a simple thing to check. I wouldn't turn my nose up at either one. I just don't want to start a peeing match over the font issue. "Always trust the font!"
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Re: 400 230 block
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There seems to be a legitimate contradiction here...
Could the cut off date be questionable, too? The cutoff I'm pretty sure is an absolute, BUT it's just a matter of looking at the webs . I agree, John. It's a simple thing to check. I wouldn't turn my nose up at either one. I just don't want to start a peeing match over the font issue. "Always trust the font!" Don't worry you can have a peeing match over almost anything
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Re: 400 230 block
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I've got a favorite 400 I've saved for years. 6. 15. 71. large font. now you guys got me worried. gonna measure bore ,make sure its not a 383. It's not like that would be a problem , it's a 400 CORE ...
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Re: 400 230 block
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I finally got a chance to look at that block.400 230.2! did notice bowtie cooling holes in the decks. I thought that happened later in the70's my 72 440 sitting next to it has old style round holes. strange I learned a long time ago to never say never with any car parts, especially Ma Mopar cars
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Re: 400 230 block
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TO the OP: AndyF who has 10 400 blocks, lives close to the West Coast. Maybe shoot him a PM and see if he can help you out?
R. i think i might have too. the member on here has opted out of selling me any of his blocks now. so frustrating being down under, mopar was not the big hitter like it was in the US so tripping over blocks in the woods was never a possibility. guess i'll have to put my sad face on & try & see if Andy can part with one. i have dealt with Andy before & bought a balancer off him so at least he knows i'm genuine & not some scammer.
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Re: 400 230 block
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I just checked my 230 block. 12-3-71 and large font. Don't have it apart yet so don't know which block it is. that's too late by the dates I know of to be thick web, but will be interested to know what you find.
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Re: 400 230 block
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It is a 400 block that was used as a 383. Evidently they stopped making 383 blocks before they were done making 383s so they just used 400 blocks with not bored as much. The casting date will be very early in the run, probably april/may 71. This is not the only 400 block to ever show up with 383 bore size.
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Re: 400 230 block
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i've asked the seller to take some pics of the casting numbers, he said he'll do it next week as the block is at his machinists. my biggest problem is that it's in Florida & he says it'll cost about $300 to ship to Ca. from there it's only $80 to get it shipped down under via my shipper. if it is a legit block then i'm ok with that. i've e-mailed a few engine guys in the US & asked them to find me a suitable block but unfortunately no one wants to help someone on the wrong side of the world. 400 blocks down under are scarce & those who have them think they're worth gold. i had originally bought an engine off Moparts from a member, most of the engine was good but the block was stuffed so hence why i'm looking for another. thanx for the input from those of you that have helped. Is this block anywhere near Tampa? If so, I can go look at it for you.
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Re: 400 230 block
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I just tossed a 400 block on the scrap pile because three of the cylinders had 0.090 or less on the side wall. This was a super nice looking block that had already been dipped and magged and had some machine work. It would have been easy to sell for a premium price but when I looked at the sonic numbers the value dropped to $0 and it went on the scrap pile. I would have no problem putting 3 sleeves in that one if everything else was good , the sleeved holes would have been better than the unsleeved holes.
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