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reuse or new oil pump drive distributor gear? #1828005
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I need a distributor gear/shaft for my 440. It has a comp solid flat tappet cam. I have a stock distributor gear from a 77 400 motor that I took apart. Would it work in my 440? Or should I get a new one? Do I want a different type of metal for my gear?






Re: reuse or new oil pump drive distributor gear? [Re: Adam71Charger] #1828013
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stock pump or HV. also is the bushing new? to answer your question, big block drive gears should be the same but i would use a new one.

Re: reuse or new oil pump drive distributor gear? [Re: mopars4ever] #1828026
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Originally Posted By mopars4ever
stock pump or HV. also is the bushing new? to answer your question, big block drive gears should be the same but i would use a new one.


I have not picked out a pump yet. I did upgrade the oil pickup tube to the 1/2" hemi, and the pan is 7qt. The bushing is brand new.

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With a high volume pump I would not use a stock OE gear. Is the bushing aftermarket or a mopar one. The mopar ones need to sized with a special tool when they are installed. I have heard that some people use the aftermarket bushing without sizing it.

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oh boy, its been 1 1/2 years since the long block was built, I think the bushing is aftermarket.

I am on the fence about the HV pump. My rod bearings have .0025 clearance and the main bearings are .003 Im running ported rpm heads. Flat tappet cam 244 intake 252 exhaust

I think I'll be fine with a standard oil pump, maybe just a washer behind the relief spring

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Run it with a stock pump.

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I have never had one break, but I do replace them with new ones when I rebuild an engine. If I'm just throwing something together for a stockish build, a 318 or mild cam, mild compression 440, I'll reuse the stock one.

Re: reuse or new oil pump drive distributor gear? [Re: Adam71Charger] #1828127
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Any reason I cant use this melling drive shaft meant for HV pumps on a stock pump? It comes with a hardened shaft and a new bushing

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-is-63/overview/year/1971/make/dodge/model/charger

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Originally Posted By Adam71Charger
Any reason I cant use this melling drive shaft meant for HV pumps on a stock pump? It comes with a hardened shaft and a new bushing

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-is-63/overview/year/1971/make/dodge/model/charger



It's not optimal, note the sharp transition between the hex and the shaft, a potential stress riser right there.

Find one like this instead

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dcc-3571071/overview/

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Ok I see what you mean.

So in the description, where it says it's meant for an HV pump, does that just mean it has a hardened shaft? Or are there geometrical differences

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I also dont see a slot for the distributor tip in that one

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The slot is there, as for what "meant for an HV pump" means, who knows. The link I posted has a hardened tip and the gear is pinned to the shaft, doesn't get better than that.

Only time I ever broke the tip off the intermediate shaft was on one that looked like your link and guess where is broke? Right at that transition. In my case a bit of casting flash got into the pump and locked it up. Not sure any shaft would of handled that. Mind you this was in a 79 360 in the mid 90's, so it can happen when you least expect it.

A better pic

http://www.moparonlineperformance.com/product-p/p3571071_gen2.htm

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Yes start with the std pump & see if it will provide enough vol (which you will see as the PSI). I think you'll be fine unless you did alot of block oiling mods/loose clearances


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I like the drives with the pinned gear - cheap insurance

Re: reuse or new oil pump drive distributor gear? [Re: mopars4ever] #1828249
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Originally Posted By mopars4ever
The mopar ones need to sized with a special tool when they are installed. I have heard that some people use the aftermarket bushing without sizing it.


The last two aftermarket bushings I've bought (440 Source) and installed did not require any burnishing - the shaft slid right in.

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I've used both the old OEM and the new Mopar brand Hi po with the pinned shafts in a lot of different motors over a long period of time and a lot of motors, no difference in life or performance as far as I can tell as long as the old shaft and gear are not worn or damaged scope shruggy If its good, use it uptwocents The standard volume and pressure stock non HP pumps make 55 lbs before the oil pump bypass opens, the high volume and high pressure pumps bypass at 80 lbs, I'll bet money that the stock OEM shafts don't know the differences in resistance between all three style pumps work shruggy

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Re: reuse or new oil pump drive distributor gear? [Re: Adam71Charger] #1828279
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Originally Posted By Adam71Charger
I also dont see a slot for the distributor tip in that one


The one you posted is fine, the one someone else posted is for a small block.

If you choose a stock pump you can run whatever you like. An old stock one or the new one from melling you posted.

If you run a high volume pump an intermediate shaft with radiused transition to the hex is good insurance. In this link you can see the difference.

Hughes intermediate shaft


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I ended up getting the MP performance for flat tappet camshafts.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dcc-3571071

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I believe all BB shafts for stock style pumps, both OE and aftermarket, will interchange and fit up OK. The hi po shafts for use with high volume pump generally have hardened hex and radiused transition to the hex to take the higher load. The OE shaft has been known to let go with the HV pump.

On my setup I have .0023-.0025" clearances and full groove bearings. Glad I have the HV pump to help hot idle oil pressure.

Back to your question... sounds like a warm engine that may need HV pump so I'd get a hardened/radiused shaft for it.

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Got my oil pump shaft. Is there a good post on how to install properly? does the shaft slot for the dizzy gear need to be perpendicular or parallel to the camshaft when #1 is TDC?

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