Need help on distributor selection
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04/19/15 06:13 PM
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I bought pertronix 2 and installed on my stock 72 318 point distributor. Ran good for awhile until the rpms started taking a long time to return to idle when I let off the gas pedal. The distributor inards ended up being rusted and jammed up with old hard grease. I ordered an A1-Cardone 30-3820 from summit. It came but had defective leaking vacuum advance. so they shipped me another, same problem. To add to the problem, the pertronix began to malfunction as well (no spark when + coil was getting 12v. It had proper .030 clearance double checked). Im done with the cheap re manufactured distributors and pertronix. Sending them both back to summit. I'll have about $200-$300 to spend on a new ignition system. What are my options? I dont need a top of the line system, just something that works right I dont mind going back to points, if I could find a distributor that has been rebuilt properly and has good vacuum advance can. Or even rebuild my own if there is a kit for that. Ive also seen some cheap (pro-comp I think?) ready to run electronic distributor conversions on ebay that come with dizzy, coil and plug wires. Never used one before, dont know what quality is like. Its about $140 with shipping. http://www.ebay.com/itm/DODGE-273-318-34...936&vxp=mtr
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Re: Need help on distributor selection
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04/19/15 11:51 PM
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Its a little more expensive than I was planning on, but I've been reading up on it sounds like a good piece.
Im leaning towards the $140 kit, as this motor will only be in the car for a year at most, until we put a big block in. I called the Ebay seller, Don, and he warranties them for 3 years. Complete with wires, coil and dist/module.
The summit racing model, and the firecore, I would need to buy a new coil and possibly new wires if my current arnt compatible.
Hesitant to buy the cheaper kit though, I dont want to deal with unreliable parts and the likelyhood of potential problems is probably higher, but this guy has 100% positive feedback so it looks like no one has had issues with his kit.
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Re: Need help on distributor selection
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04/20/15 02:47 AM
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what about taking the rusty dist apart & cleaning it & reassembly with the P? Sounds like the issue was the gummed up weights/slots not being free as opposed to the P being fubared. I'll help you with that if you like. An option would be to get a regular 70's electronic dist & a parts house ECU & a MP ballast or you can mount an HEI module under the dist & someone sells a bracket for that but it is pricey & it's easy to fab yourself & with that you can run a full 12V E coil.
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Re: Need help on distributor selection
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04/20/15 11:39 AM
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here's the bushings from Lowes; 1&1/8" by 5/8" & a Grainger adj reamer (it was cheap). I ain't did nothing with this yet. How far down you install the top bushing dimention is in my other book at the shop, I will get that. dont have a part # for the lowes items but in their parts drawers they oughta be easy enough to locate. I wouldn't think the electronics of the P would come and go, any possibility of a loose conenction (there or elsewhere)
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Re: Need help on distributor selection
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04/20/15 12:08 PM
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, Don't even need the MP ballast just a compatible one. Correct & if you have 1.5 or more total ohms (coil/ballast combined) you'll be fine
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Re: Need help on distributor selection
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04/20/15 02:36 PM
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here's the bushings from Lowes; 1&1/8" by 5/8" & a Grainger adj reamer (it was cheap). I ain't did nothing with this yet. How far down you install the top bushing dimention is in my other book at the shop, I will get that. dont have a part # for the lowes items but in their parts drawers they oughta be easy enough to locate. I wouldn't think the electronics of the P would come and go, any possibility of a loose conenction (there or elsewhere) Couldnt find any loose connection. Was getting power at the coil so if it's a loose connection, then it's between the coil and the Pertronix or the distributor ground. The electronic combo is fairly cheap, around $100-$150 (depending on brands) for the distributor, box, pigtail, ballast, and coil. I've had such bad luck with remand distributors coming w/bad vacuum pods though, and they arnt stocked at any local parts stores. Has anyone else experienced this?? Maybe I just had bad luck. If I can put mine back together right I'll just stick with points. I still need a vacuum pod though. Standard motor products sells vacuum pods. I've never reamed bushings Robert, is the tool an off the shelf piece at lowes?? Is it pretty straight forward?
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Re: Need help on distributor selection
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04/21/15 12:17 AM
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Im surprised that you had the issues with pertronix. In the past 10 years since I've known about them I think I've seen 5 people say they had issues. Mine has been flawless in the time Ive had it. But I went with the stage 1 inside a reman dizzy from the parts store with the pertronix coil and a gutted ballast. Also I've had great luck with reman dizzys, and I used the same brand you did. I think that you just had bad luck on those.
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Re: Need help on distributor selection
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04/21/15 12:48 AM
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With the Pertronix you are not suppose to get your 12v power from your coil because the coil 12v comes from the resistance side of the ballast resistor. You should get you 12v from the non resistance side of the ballast or some other ignition on 12v source. Or you can gut the ballast and solder in a thick wire going across. Gets you your full 12v and keeps it looking stock if that matters to you.
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Re: Need help on distributor selection
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04/21/15 01:08 AM
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With the Pertronix you are not suppose to get your 12v power from your coil because the coil 12v comes from the resistance side of the ballast resistor. You should get you 12v from the non resistance side of the ballast or some other ignition on 12v source. Or you can gut the ballast and solder in a thick wire going across. Gets you your full 12v and keeps it looking stock if that matters to you. Only if you have a coil that can handle the full 12v. One of the pertronix coils will allow you to do that, Not sure which I used.
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Re: Need help on distributor selection
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04/21/15 04:19 AM
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With the Pertronix you are not suppose to get your 12v power from your coil because the coil 12v comes from the resistance side of the ballast resistor. You should get you 12v from the non resistance side of the ballast or some other ignition on 12v source. Or you can gut the ballast and solder in a thick wire going across. Gets you your full 12v and keeps it looking stock if that matters to you. Only if you have a coil that can handle the full 12v. One of the pertronix coils will allow you to do that, Not sure which I used. How I hooked mine up was 1st I deleted the ballast resistor, then I spliced RUN and START both into 1 wire, and ran that to the positive side of the Flamethrower II coil. Then I ran the pertronix red wire to the positive coil as well, and the black wire to the negative side coil.
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Re: Need help on distributor selection
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04/21/15 09:54 AM
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With the Pertronix you are not suppose to get your 12v power from your coil because the coil 12v comes from the resistance side of the ballast resistor. You should get you 12v from the non resistance side of the ballast or some other ignition on 12v source. Or you can gut the ballast and solder in a thick wire going across. Gets you your full 12v and keeps it looking stock if that matters to you. Only if you have a coil that can handle the full 12v. One of the pertronix coils will allow you to do that, Not sure which I used. Correct, which is also why I stated that I used their coil. The reason that I like to do it that way is because I can carry a ballast and set of points/condenser in the glovebox in case the pertronix ever fails and just hook everything back up like stock in 5-10 mins...but it never has never failed me.
1971 Plymouth Satellite 408/904 8 3/4 3.23 SG
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