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F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? #1789052 03/26/15 10:17 PM 03/26/15 10:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada D Diplomat360 OP top fuel
Diplomat360 OP top fuel D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada	I'm considering the upgrade to the stiffer FirmFeel Transverse torsion bars for the F/M/J body cars. Specifically, looking to install these in my '80 Diplomat coupe. Car is a weekend driver, primarily street, occasional strip pass. My focus is really on doing away with that floaty/plowing front-end feeling. I do have a new set of KONI adjustable shocks that are on the car already. Remainder of the suspension is all brand new, poly K-frame bushings, etc, etc. I'm curious if anyone has installed these and what your results were. I personally know one other M-body guy who's very happy with them. Unfortunately we never got a chance to meet up locally for me to experience the new ride in his car. Thanks!

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: Diplomat360] #1789053 03/26/15 11:18 PM 03/26/15 11:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,405 Michigan MarkZ Worthy
MarkZ Worthy Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,405 Michigan	Dude, you work up the road from me. Block out some time and stop by after work in a week or two (still haven't pulled the car out of storage). Last edited by MarkM; 03/26/15 11:21 PM. 1987 Fifth Avenue - 512/518/D60

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: MarkZ] #1789054 03/27/15 01:00 PM 03/27/15 01:00 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada 67autocross super stock
67autocross super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada	If I ever pick up another Dippy I would give them a try, no car in the mopar world needs front end help more than the FJM. You would also need some good shocks with the increased spring rate which may be a pain finding. 8472506-P1010177.JPG (320 downloads) A new iron curtain drawn across the 49th parallel

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: MarkZ] #1789055 03/27/15 01:27 PM 03/27/15 01:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada D Diplomat360 OP top fuel
Diplomat360 OP top fuel D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada	Quote: Dude, you work up the road from me. Block out some time and stop by after work in a week or two (still haven't pulled the car out of storage). Mark, Buddy, I would not dare ask you to do something with your ride that I would be un-willing to do with mine, ie take it out on the nasty Michigan roads so early on in the apocaliptic post-Winter season ...but...if you're willing and sure about it, I'm all for it... let's meet up, I'll shoot you an IM to set this up.

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: 67autocross] #1789056 03/27/15 01:29 PM 03/27/15 01:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada D Diplomat360 OP top fuel
Diplomat360 OP top fuel D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada	Quote: If I ever pick up another Dippy I would give them a try, no car in the mopar world needs front end help more than the FJM. You would also need some good shocks with the increased spring rate which may be a pain finding. I think I'm all good with regards to shocks. Currently on my ride I have the full set of older KONI adjustables. Pretty nice pieces, even with the spongy OEM bars they made quite the difference. I suspect that once the new bars go on I may want to back them off a bit...

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: Diplomat360] #1789057 03/27/15 05:03 PM 03/27/15 05:03 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada 67autocross super stock
67autocross super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada	Quote: Quote: If I ever pick up another Dippy I would give them a try, no car in the mopar world needs front end help more than the FJM. You would also need some good shocks with the increased spring rate which may be a pain finding. I think I'm all good with regards to shocks. Currently on my ride I have the full set of older KONI adjustables. Pretty nice pieces, even with the spongy OEM bars they made quite the difference. I suspect that once the new bars go on I may want to back them off a bit... Are the Konis compression or rebound adjustable? I would think think with more spring rate you would be looking for more rebound damping. A new iron curtain drawn across the 49th parallel

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: 67autocross] #1789058 03/28/15 12:10 PM 03/28/15 12:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada D Diplomat360 OP top fuel
Diplomat360 OP top fuel D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada	Quote: Are the Konis compression or rebound adjustable? I would think think with more spring rate you would be looking for more rebound damping. Judging by the instructions they appear to be rebound adjustable. Which in this case means that the shocks should have the capacity to deal with the stronger T-bar feedback (as they unwind and snap back following a return from the compression motion). 8473429-KONI-Shock_Adjustment_Procedure.jpg (312 downloads)

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: Diplomat360] #1789059 03/28/15 05:38 PM 03/28/15 05:38 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	What do you have for swaybars? Years ago when I had my 87 Diplmat the 'yards were full of Cop Ciplomats and they have larger front bar than the civvie ones, and a rear bars too. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: Supercuda] #1789060 03/29/15 07:14 PM 03/29/15 07:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada D Diplomat360 OP top fuel
Diplomat360 OP top fuel D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada	Quote: What do you have for swaybars?... I have the larger fleet/HD bar up front, but just the regular sized one at the back. I've looked around for the bigger one, never really found one. Yeah, the days of the M-bodies littering the yards are gone around here...LOL...good ol' days for sure...

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: Diplomat360] #1789061 03/30/15 11:37 AM 03/30/15 11:37 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,388 Pikes Peak Country T TC@HP2 master
TC@HP2 master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,388 Pikes Peak Country	Yea, the FJM cars are in that three decade range where they are actually getting difficult to find in some yards. Any volume yard has turned these over to scrap 10-15 years ago.

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: TC@HP2] #1789062 03/30/15 01:02 PM 03/30/15 01:02 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada 67autocross super stock
67autocross super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada	Adco still makes bars for them, not sure if the front is any bigger than a factory taxi/cop bar. Adco still makes bars for them, if you can�t find them in a yard. A new iron curtain drawn across the 49th parallel

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: 67autocross] #1789063 03/31/15 09:49 PM 03/31/15 09:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada D Diplomat360 OP top fuel
Diplomat360 OP top fuel D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,755 Windsor, ON, Canada	Quote: Adco still makes bars for them, not sure if the front is any bigger than a factory taxi/cop bar... Yes, but if I'm not mistaken (I had an old Adco rear bar once in a box) they mount differently from the OEM setups. Hmm...worth a 2nd look though...let me check it out..thanks!

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: Diplomat360] #1789064 04/01/15 12:01 AM 04/01/15 12:01 AM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada 67autocross super stock
67autocross super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada	Quote: Quote: Adco still makes bars for them, not sure if the front is any bigger than a factory taxi/cop bar... Yes, but if I'm not mistaken (I had an old Adco rear bar once in a box) they mount differently from the OEM setups. Hmm...worth a 2nd look though...let me check it out..thanks! I put one on the front of my 88 dippy at one time, I think it was 1/8 bigger than a cop bar. It mounted in the same location as stock. After about 10,000 miles one of the end links ripped out of the lower control arms so you might think about bracing them. A new iron curtain drawn across the 49th parallel

Re: F-M-J body FirmFeel transverse torsion bar results...? [Re: Diplomat360] #1797757 04/07/15 07:50 PM 04/07/15 07:50 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada 67autocross super stock
67autocross super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,074 Manitoba Canada	Picture of Addco bar, I measured it and it is 1 & 1/8" same size as a cop bar. IMG_00000705-1.jpg (404 downloads) A new iron curtain drawn across the 49th parallel

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