400 stroker advice-parts source?????
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Building a motor for the pro tour charger which will have five speed overdrive in a 3800 pound + 69 charger air-conditioning and fuel injected.
For this type car is the 499 with the longer rod preferred over a 511?
Also who would be a premium parts supplier for rotating assembly?
This is a rework of the 383 based motor I initially built. Aluminum Indy – 1's will be employed.
Thanks in advance
1969 Hemi Charger R/T, 1970 Charger 472 Hemi 6 Sp 1969 Charger Pro Tour Project 1971 Barracuda Convert 1970 440 6pack Superbird, 1968 Fury I Police Pursuit 440 Super Commando 2 door sedan (Black/Blue) 1967 Barracuda Convert 1968 Barracuda Coupe 1972 Charger Rallye wanna be RT 1972 Sebring Plus 440-6 Clone 1969 Coronet Pro Street 2009 Challengeer SRT8 stick 1992-1986 Body 2500 4x4 440 stick 1982 Ramcharger 318 Sniper- getting enhanced. 1991.5 W250 Cummins- Big Chief
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Re: 400 stroker advice-parts source?????
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Good info!
Premium parts or kit availability that I should look at??? Manley, K-1, Callies?
Kit suppliers via Moparts vendors?
1969 Hemi Charger R/T, 1970 Charger 472 Hemi 6 Sp 1969 Charger Pro Tour Project 1971 Barracuda Convert 1970 440 6pack Superbird, 1968 Fury I Police Pursuit 440 Super Commando 2 door sedan (Black/Blue) 1967 Barracuda Convert 1968 Barracuda Coupe 1972 Charger Rallye wanna be RT 1972 Sebring Plus 440-6 Clone 1969 Coronet Pro Street 2009 Challengeer SRT8 stick 1992-1986 Body 2500 4x4 440 stick 1982 Ramcharger 318 Sniper- getting enhanced. 1991.5 W250 Cummins- Big Chief
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Re: 400 stroker advice-parts source?????
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I'd start with 440Source although others will chime in with their favorite purveyors of Chinese cranks and rods.
It's important to know that many of the raw forgings come from the same place, but the machining and final marketing are different. So there's not a world of difference between any of the rods or cranks. They all need to be checked before assembly. Board members have their favorite brands. That may be because they had luck with a particular brand or possibly because they know the company or owner.
Here's an example: For a couple of years K1 rods were favorite with many members. Then Molnar left and started his own company. Suddenly, K1 fell off the edge of the table and now Molnar was the favorite. Never mind that the rods and/or cranks look almost exactly the same. There don't appear to have been any changes in the machining process at K1 to warrant their falling into disfavor..
Another example is Ohio Crank. In the beginning they supposedly said their cranks were forged in the US. However, markings on later cranks clearly show them to be sourced out of China. There are factories over there that produce engine parts for nearly any engine on the face of the earth. You can buy raw or semi-finished or finished forgings or castings from them in bulk. I used to see 6" rod blank forgings selling on ebay for something like $16.00 each, maybe even lower than that.
Price is important, but I'd advise to give some sellers a call and see if you can work with them. If something goes wrong it's nice to be on good terms with whoever should be making it right.
Here are some in the lower priced tier: 440Source, Molnar, K1, Eagle, Scat, Ohio Crank. I've probably neglected others
Up from them I'd put Callies and Crower, also Manley and Oliver rods, but you'll pay nearly twice as much. Most of this group's wares are made in the USA. They may have started an imported lower-cost line to stay competitive.
Then there are guys who deal mostly with professional racing, like Carrillo.
How much do you want to spend?
R.
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Re: 400 stroker advice-parts source?????
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03/11/15 04:44 PM
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Callies dragonslayer crank if you want a USA forging.
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Re: 400 stroker advice-parts source?????
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my 400 stroker build shortblock 512 on pump gas 4.250 Eagle crank 6.535 Chevy H Beam rods Diamond custom dish pistons 18cc 10.95 comp with 75 cc heads .990 piston pins Drill n tap for 1/2 in oil pickup clevite main and rod bearings BMRE 400 Aluminum caps Diamond moly rings undecided on cam selection been suggested to go with a mechanical flat tappet cam n solid lifters between 250 and 265 degrees
280-320 cfm heads..undecided on which brand
600 plus horse ??? comments, changes, and criticism is welcome!!!!
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Re: 400 stroker advice-parts source?????
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03/12/15 11:47 AM
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Why the big 18cc dish on the pistons? You will loose quench and squish completely - better off with a larger cc head and flat tops
I had to go with 22cc dish pistons on my 416 so I could run on pump crap.. 87 octane for the street and 93 for the track... still has a .040 quench
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Re: 400 stroker advice-parts source?????
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03/13/15 10:21 AM
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With 440-1 heads, you will have more than enough head, so big cubes and a light rotating assembly will work best. A long rod 512 motor produces a lighter bob weight than a 499, which is an advantage of being easier on a stock block plus it is 2.5 percent bigger. That may not be much but I will take the 2.5 percent extra torque in a street car any day. Considering that you have 440-1 heads, those heads have the runner volume to put peak torque as high as 5200 rpm, so the more cubes, the better off you are for low speed and mid range. I can see the advantages of even more stroke than 4.25 in a deal like yours. I would go as big as I can and still get a decent piston in it that will live a good street life.
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Re: 400 stroker advice-parts source?????
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With 440-1 heads, you will have more than enough head, so big cubes and a light rotating assembly will work best. A long rod 512 motor produces a lighter bob weight than a 499, which is an advantage of being easier on a stock block plus it is 2.5 percent bigger. That may not be much but I will take the 2.5 percent extra torque in a street car any day. Considering that you have 440-1 heads, those heads have the runner volume to put peak torque as high as 5200 rpm, so the more cubes, the better off you are for low speed and mid range. I can see the advantages of even more stroke than 4.25 in a deal like yours. I would go as big as I can and still get a decent piston in it that will live a good street life.
Long rod 512 low deck sounds nice, I would guess that uses a 6.700" rod and pistons like those from the 4.15" stroker?
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Re: 400 stroker advice-parts source?????
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Did a 496 last spring. If you use MM make sure you get on his list for those pistons early... They'll charge your card right away but those pistons were a delay for us. As far as size goes - with anything that big - you won't be disppointed. Don't overthink it. make sure that what you have is in good shape, and use it.
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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Re: 400 stroker advice-parts source?????
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With 440-1 heads, you will have more than enough head, so big cubes and a light rotating assembly will work best. A long rod 512 motor produces a lighter bob weight than a 499, which is an advantage of being easier on a stock block plus it is 2.5 percent bigger. That may not be much but I will take the 2.5 percent extra torque in a street car any day. Considering that you have 440-1 heads, those heads have the runner volume to put peak torque as high as 5200 rpm, so the more cubes, the better off you are for low speed and mid range. I can see the advantages of even more stroke than 4.25 in a deal like yours. I would go as big as I can and still get a decent piston in it that will live a good street life.
Long rod 512 low deck sounds nice, I would guess that uses a 6.700" rod and pistons like those from the 4.15" stroker?
the 512 requires a .050 change in total piston pin height compared to the 4.150. A 4.25 stroke package could be 6.535 rods, 1.320 pistons, zero deck at 9.980.
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