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A500 A 518 A618 #17723
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I am thinking about installing one of the above trannies behind my Hemi in my 71 Challenger. I know there are guys out there that have done this. I was wondering what problems I will come across. What units do I need to be looking for? I found a A500 from a 98 Jeep wrangler, 318, will that unit work? I know I will need an adapter, but will that tranny work for a starting point? I also found a A518 out of a 99 Dodge 1/2 ton, 318. Anything I need to be looking for, and what NOT to look for? I also sent an email to SMR. Any suggestions out there you guys can throw my way would be great, thanks.

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You'll eat a 500/904 in no time with a HEMI. Your best bet probably is to nab a 518 and build it with 618 internals.


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OK, that is a start. What models of the 518 do I need to look for, or the 618? I know that some of the units are computer controlled, is there a way around this for my carb setup? Thanks

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Also, anybody put a 4L80E GM tranny behind a BB Mopar?

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The 618 is the diesel unit. Probably easier to find a 518 and have the internals beefed up. There are non-computer controlled 518's that you can wire up with a couple of switches for LU and OD.

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Just as a point to ponder, the A518 came in non-lockup and lockup converter configurations, with a governor (no computer required), while the later version is known as the 46RE, which is partially computer controlled, and lock-up converter only.

The A618, and later 47RE and 48RE, came behind the Cummins Diesel and V10 only. I am not sure about the V10, but I know that the Diesel version bellhousing bolt pattern is different from the usual smallblock bolt pattern, and the torque converter is a massive 13" unit. The A518 family use an 11" converter basically the same as older 727s used. The lockup clutch in the 11" converter is barely adequate behind a 360 in a pickup or van, so I would recommend the non-lockup variety for your Hemi.

Since you must use an adapter plate anyway, going to the GM 4L80-E may be a better option, both from the available parts and that it should fit the floorpan more readily than the Mopar unit. Also, there are aftermarket lockup torque converters for the 4L80E in various sizes and stall speeds available, as well as stand-alone transmission controllers with wiring harness for the 4L80-E. This stuff is rather pricey, however.

And another option is the Ford AOD, as modified by several aftermarket companies. It definitely will fit your floorpan without serious mods, and some companies claim capacity improvements to 1000HP.

Regardless, having to use an adapter plate allows you to choose the best transmission for your use, regardless of brand.

Or, you could buy a lot of gas for the money invested in converting to overdrive...

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Thanks for the tips guys, as I will be using all the info I can get, as I want to do it right the first go round. I know the AOD (when built right)from Ford can handle lots of power, but did not know someone made an adapter for it to go behind the Hemi. I knew there was one for the 500-618 trannies as well as the 4L80, bbut not the AOD. I am glad to know that, as I have a friend that runs a Mustang performance shop and he has a few AOD's laying around from people swapping over to a C4. So that maybe the way to go for me. Do you know who makes the adapter for the AOD to Hemi? Thanks again.

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Any idea's on what AOD (year models) I should be looking for as a starter? I know they make a AODE, which is electroncially controlled, so I should probaly stick with the AOD, but any idea which year to go with? Or, which company I can contact that has done this swap? Thanks.

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92-95 46RH will have the 3 wire hook up for lock-up and OD control.

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Quote:

Just as a point to ponder, the A518 came in non-lockup and lockup converter configurations, with a governor (no computer required), while the later version is known as the 46RE, which is partially computer controlled, and lock-up converter only.

The A618, and later 47RE and 48RE, came behind the Cummins Diesel and V10 only. I am not sure about the V10, but I know that the Diesel version bellhousing bolt pattern is different from the usual smallblock bolt pattern, and the torque converter is a massive 13" unit. The A518 family use an 11" converter basically the same as older 727s used. The lockup clutch in the 11" converter is barely adequate behind a 360 in a pickup or van, so I would recommend the non-lockup variety for your Hemi.

Since you must use an adapter plate anyway, going to the GM 4L80-E may be a better option, both from the available parts and that it should fit the floorpan more readily than the Mopar unit. Also, there are aftermarket lockup torque converters for the 4L80E in various sizes and stall speeds available, as well as stand-alone transmission controllers with wiring harness for the 4L80-E. This stuff is rather pricey, however.

And another option is the Ford AOD, as modified by several aftermarket companies. It definitely will fit your floorpan without serious mods, and some companies claim capacity improvements to 1000HP.

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a ford AOD or 4L80E will be spendy for the tranny itself, and for the electronics to control it (expect $500+ for the "black box")

I think a built 518 (front is all 727, so it's strong, get the OD unit built to 618 specs with some additional oiling mods) or 46RH (same tranny, new name) is the way to fly...in fact, a friend was looking at replacing the 4L60 in his impala with one, but went to a row-your-own T56 instead.

you can get good strong lockup torque converters for ~$600 for them. what you want is a 91-96(?) or 97 (I thought they didn't switch to the computer controlled 46RE until '98) tranny, the one with the 2 (non lockup) or 3 (lockup) pin connector. lockup is a good thing, and besides, you never put all the power through the lockup clutch, you wire a switch in that circuit and either manually unlock it before hitting the loud pedal, hook it up to the loud pedal itself so the converter unlocks at a certain throttle position, or use a vaccuum switch so it unlocks below a certain vaccuum level.

here's some links that may be useful:

http://www.transmissioncenter.net/alto_3.htm
http://www.apsprecision.com/
http://www.transmissionsone.com/
http://home.cinci.rr.com/simmscity/0799p01.jpg
http://home.cinci.rr.com/simmscity/0799p02.jpg
http://home.cinci.rr.com/simmscity/0799p03.jpg


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Re: A500 A 518 A618 [Re: patrick] #17734
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I got my hands on a pre magnum 360 518 without lockup - it came froma 92 3500 van - I would recomend you get the 2 pin ( no lockup ) OR 3 pin ( lockup ) but dont get the 5 pin conputer controled tranny... mine is a 2 wire connection and done.

magnum motors are computer controlled and will have more trouble connecting it to a standard non computer controlled car.

i vote for the 518 ( KEEP IT MOPAR) and contact SMR trans.. google search them - pat is a good guy with alot of the info your looking for!

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OK, thanks guys. I have emailed SMR, waiting to hear back from them. Thanks for the tips guys. SO, what you are saying, is, even before 98, there were TWO different 518's? A 2 pin and a 3 on the side of the tranny I need to look for, a pin (lockup non lockup)??? Is there a harness serial/part number to help identify? What about applications? And, SMR would probaly know this info as well, or even have a tranny ready to go, or do I need to supply the core????? Thanks guys for ALL of the info. I am still going to look into the AOD, as I am told, the AODE is the computer controlled tranny, and the AOD is just a plain old OD tranny, no computer. Keep the info coming guys!!

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right under the reverse switch there is either a 2 pin OR 3 pin connector - 2 pin id OD 3 pin is OD lockup... they didnt make too many 2 pins, but thier out there...

Pat is the man to talk to for this application...
later, magnum motors have a round 5 pin connection that is all electronic, creating a problem since they use a PCM from then on...

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right under the reverse switch there is either a 2 pin OR 3 pin connector - 2 pin id OD 3 pin is OD lockup... they didnt make too many 2 pins, but thier out there...

Pat is the man to talk to for this application...
later, magnum motors have a round 5 pin connection that is all electronic, creating a problem since they use a PCM from then on...





Who is Pat? Thanks for the link, this is good stuff. I am now leaning towards the 518 to keep it all Mopar, but I am still going to look into the AOD swap as well, but the 518 sounds . The thing is, my motor will be making a butt load of power (472-489" Hemi, depending on which stroke I go with, and I just picked up a X Trim Vortech blower and will make about 10 lbs of boost, so looking at 800-900 HP on pump gas) The 489 will be a .030 over with a 4.25 stroke, and the 472 will be a standard bore and 4.15 crank. But, I am also looking into the 4.50 crank and a .030 over for 518 CI. Anyways, she is going to make some power. This X Trim blower is NASTY. The 4.25 is more common than the 4.50, as well as cheaper, so the 4.25 may be the choice, but I will cross that bridge when I get there. I have the Siamese bore Hemi block, and the X trim blower already, and just need to gather some more parts....decisions, decisions....

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pat is smr...

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Roger that

I also took a look at the transmissioncenter website. Man, they have a bunch of tranny stuff (AOD, 4L80, 518, 700R4) even though I did not see an adapter for the tranny to a Mopar, except for the 518. I emailed them as well with some questions.

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Seems you're making this more complicated than it needs to be.

First, easiest, & likely, least expensive option, would be a Gear Vendors O/D unit bolted to your existing trans. Every other option will require custom fabrication & $500+ adapters.

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Seems you're making this more complicated than it needs to be.

First, easiest, & likely, least expensive option, would be a Gear Vendors O/D unit bolted to your existing trans. Every other option will require custom fabrication & $500+ adapters.




Do not have a trans to start with. Second, I like things to be different, and this is a route that few go. Third, do not care for the GV myself. As for fabricaton, I like it. I built my own rear suspension (4 bar) and did away with the leaf springs. The front eventually will be tubular KMember, tubular control arms, coil over shocks with a rack and pinion steering as well. Here is pic of the back half of my car....

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