Re: Interesting demonstration on drive shaft angles
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that was a good basic informative video . it elightened me on the fact that you want the ujoints IN PHASE in addition to the angles being equal as I had forgotten about the in phase part . They did neglect to mention why you dont want the whole setup in a straight line which in real life might be hard to accomplish anyway and that you want minimal angles. Thank you for posting it!
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Re: Interesting demonstration on drive shaft angles
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They did neglect to mention why you dont want the whole setup in a straight line which in real life might be hard to accomplish anyway and that you want minimal angles. Thank you for posting it!
I noticed they skipped over that detail as well, you need some deflection between the driving and end driven components, even as little as 1 degree, so the the bearings can rotate in the u-joints properly...plus they missed a few other geometry issues,...but again this was just a basic guideline
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Re: Interesting demonstration on drive shaft angles
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I have mounted and installed shaft driven fuel pumps on tanker trucks and this is basic knowledge for body builders. Always match the angle of the pto out put shaft. I had a brand new aluminum tanker truck built by Hutch Tanks in Toronto Canada. This was dual pump truck with 2 PTO driven pumps with short drive shafts just like in the video above and the angles were off a lot, brand new. I already had another Hutch equipped truck and it's angles matched and we had been using it for near 10 years. The PTO u joints on the new truck wore out in a month of use when they last years with proper grease. They came down and got the truck and took it back to Toronto and re engineer the whole cross member that held the pumps and redo the plumbing. Took them like a month. There was new management and workers since they built my first truck from them and I could see it in the build quality in other places as well. Never bought another one from them. They did get the angles matched and the U joints last now since 2004.
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Re: Interesting demonstration on drive shaft angles
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You want the ujoints installed so that the zerk is under compression visualized with the shaft rotating CW, viewed from the front as if you were standing in front of the car looking rearward. Also you want the (2) end welded yokes on the main driveshaft parallel but that would not have changed from (OE correct) unless an inexperienced tech at the driveshaft shop welded one on 1/4 turn away from parallel when the shaft was in for shortening. EDIT when done with the ujoint install move the front yoke thru both planes of travel and the rear ujoint thru it's 1 plane of travel if it it ain't smooth (& it wont be) then set the shaft on your bench with the ends hanging over the edge & whack an "ear" several times with a BFH then rotate the shaft 180 & whack the other ear several times then check for smooth movement & repeat as needed. The "ear is the connector piece of flat metal between the main shaft and the "holes" (ears are opposite each other). grab a helper to hold the shaft & you use a drift along with the BFH to guarantee an accurate strike(s) if need be
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Re: Interesting demonstration on drive shaft angles
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03/01/15 09:38 PM
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Excellent information, I learned something today.
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Re: Interesting demonstration on drive shaft angles
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Sport I saw where they jacked up the pinion. What ain't right in the demo? I dont wanna miss anything
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Re: Interesting demonstration on drive shaft angles
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Sport I saw where they jacked up the pinion. What ain't right in the demo? I dont wanna miss anything
Sarcasm,?? Don't miss that.
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Re: Interesting demonstration on drive shaft angles
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no sarcasm bro. this is a legitimate Q. I dont know it all and I dont want to miss anything and I am always wanting to further my knowledge
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