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Re: Updates on the Edelbrock Victor Installed Height Saga
[Re: MoParFish]
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02/19/15 08:22 PM
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The 87019s have an oil band and, I beleive, have a bit shorter body than the 829s. Once together and running, I wasn't likng the oil pressure when warm(about 10psi at idle in gear after a pass). When I put it all together, the top of the band was pretty close to the top of the lifter bore at full lift in an un-bushed stock block. I figured it was losing oil volume past lifters. I ended up dropping a steel dowel down the passenger side sending unit hole at back of block to limit oil to drivers side lifters. This brought oil pressure back to a comfortable range. FWIW Here's a link to another members thread with similar issues and posted some pics of what I did. 
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post8241605
The COMP The 87019s look similar to the lifters I bought from IMM, so now I'm wondering if your trick of restricting the driver-side lifter galley feed might be required using them w/ an unbushed block, too. 
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Re: Updates on the Edelbrock Victor Installed Height Saga
[Re: PorkyPig]
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02/27/15 11:44 PM
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Are those longer valves than Victors come with normally, or did you figure out the right retainers and locks to raise the installed height that much?
What do you have for retainers? Comp thinks I should use a 1.645" triple spring #947. It has 338@2.00" seat pressure! I told them my current springs with 275 on the seat, 700+ open, and they said that might be OK, but they prefer to error on the stiffer side?
I'm not sure my rocker arms will clear that large of a spring?
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Re: Updates on the Edelbrock Victor Installed Height Saga
[Re: PorkyPig]
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02/28/15 12:03 AM
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Are those longer valves than Victors come with normally, or did you figure out the right retainers and locks to raise the installed height that much?
I looked into running longer valves but the cost was prohibitive. The retainer clearance is going to be subjective to the rocker arms you are using. The Hughes 1.7 ratio rockers would clear some of the smaller diameter 10 degree tool steel retainers and the light weight super seven Manley Tensilmax retainer. Again that was with a .030 shim. I needed .090 worth to get the sweep pattern tight but the roller was running off of the valve tip. Also the .090 increase in rocker stand height opened up a ton of retainer choices at 2.00".
I am going to run Manley or Xceldyne light weight titanium retainers, Manley super 7 titanium +.050 locks and Xceldyne .040 BeCu spring seats. The Isky 9999-RAD installed height is 2.00" as well.
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Re: Updates on the Edelbrock Victor Installed Height Saga
[Re: clonestocker]
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02/28/15 12:04 AM
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I also went ahead and measured up the installed height on the 10 degree stuff with the valve LocCap retainer/cap setup and will try to compile that data over the weekend.
I ordered a set of Isky 9999-RAD springs that will work perfect for my cam and next up will be a set of their EZx rollers with all of the bells and whistles. I need to find a Manley dealer as well. Summit seems a big high on their titanium stuff.
If any of you 11/32" valve stem guys need to borrow the valve lock/retainer assortment I'll be happy to loan it out for a deposit equaling the sum of the parts + insured shipping both ways. I'm out 300 clams so you won't have to be.
Lastly...
A very special thanks to Mr. Michael Beachel of B3 Racing Engines. He was the only guy to hear me out and help engineer a solution when everyone else was telling me I was out of luck, buy a smaller cam, "just run it that way", etc.
This engine is going in my small tire, face plated 4-speed street car and its going to rip. I'm stoked!
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Re: Updates on the Edelbrock Victor Installed Height Saga
[Re: 451Mopar]
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02/28/15 12:09 AM
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Are those longer valves than Victors come with normally, or did you figure out the right retainers and locks to raise the installed height that much?
What do you have for retainers? Comp thinks I should use a 1.645" triple spring #947. It has [Email]338@2.00"[/Email] seat pressure! I told them my current springs with 275 on the seat, 700+ open, and they said that might be OK, but they prefer to error on the stiffer side?
I'm not sure my rocker arms will clear that large of a spring?
I would be lucky to get a 1.625" spring under my deal so you most likely won't get 1.645" to work. I'll know more specifics next week when my 1.600 springs show up.
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Re: Updates on the Edelbrock Victor Installed Height Saga
[Re: BradH]
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02/28/15 01:12 AM
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You have to smooth out the edges so it doesn't eat the retainer either way with lots of spring pressure. That is also with less expensive springs. Check this out: http://www.iskycams.com/springs.htmlTake note of #4 and #5. If these springs don't work I'll move up to Isky 1699 which is the same spring (all specs) in Marathon-RAD material. They are $100 more than the 9999-RAD's so I'm hoping these will work for a while. Also of note here: http://www.cvproducts.com/Products.aspx?MFGID=PSIManley sells what I think is a Goodson tool as well:
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Re: Updates on the Edelbrock Victor Installed Height Saga
[Re: Jeremiah]
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03/02/15 04:50 PM
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... I found long enough studs for full thread engagement on all five hold downs. 
Where did you get the studs, what length are they, and what grade material (Grade 8?) are they?
How does your roller tip sweep compare (width & relative location to center of valve tip) w/ the new hardware on there?
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Re: Updates on the Edelbrock Victor Installed Height Saga
[Re: Jeremiah]
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03/03/15 12:52 AM
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The sweep is around .045 now. I'll get more measurements once the heads are assembled and on the engine.
The bolts I used were from McMaster Carr:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#90281a636/=w52oaz
http://www.mcmaster.com/#90281a638/=w52obb
Remember these were used with the spacers so without they might be a little long. I could check my heads without the spacers if you want to see where yours would end up.
How do you feel about the shaft being up on those spacers? I assuming the holes in the shaft are offset to allow it to move off the O.E. shaft center line? It fits the valve tip, spring, retainer better for sure.
Doug
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