Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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Are the vent window frames the same on a wagon/hardtop/4-door and a convertible in 1970? I'm trying to align my driver's door glass/vent.
At the bottom of the window channel (back of vent window, kinda shaped like a "V", acts as front main window channel) there is a little loop that goes over a locating pin. The pin is bolted near the bottom/inside of the door and that little loop goes over this pin along with something called an "anti-rattle" which I guess is just a little piece of rubber or something (mine is missing).
My window channel's little loop is broken off, so I cannot locate/align the channel (and window for that matter). Can I just get the vent window frame ("V") off of ANY '68-'70 Plymouth/Dodge and swap it out? If not, then what about drilling/cutting that little loop off of one of those cars and welding/pop-riveting it onto my existing convertible vent window "V"?
Thanks in advance for any help/information!
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70 Roadrunner convt. street car
440+6, NOS, 4-spd, SS springs
'96 Mustang GT convt. street car
'04 4.6 SOHC, NOS, auto, lowered
"Officer, that button is for short on-ramps"
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Re: Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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Your picture resembles B Body is that correct? The assembly is different 2dr to 4dr and I think 4dr and wagon are the same. I don't know if there is a difference in the clip on loop at the bottom, you may be able to pop another one of those on the frame you have. Over the years some of this stuff was convertible specific, not sure if 70 is one of those. You could match one up from a 2dr to the other one you have and try it. 
Yep, I'm working on a 70 Roadrunner convt. CLIP ON you say? I've got to open up the pass. door and look. It sort of looks like it was pop riveted on. Your 2dr. vs. 4dr/wagon idea makes a lot of sense. Any idea about 2dr. vs. a convertible? Geez, I hope I can fix it. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!
70 Roadrunner convt. street car
440+6, NOS, 4-spd, SS springs
'96 Mustang GT convt. street car
'04 4.6 SOHC, NOS, auto, lowered
"Officer, that button is for short on-ramps"
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Re: Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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Lousy verb-age on my part. Its a clip or part that's pop riveted on. I know mine was. (70 Satellite) I doubt they would be different...someone will know. They may very well be a standard piece on A and B bodies both...on 2 dr...4dr and wagon. Similar to the use of some of the various glass stops and such. I know when I built the doors on the 69 Dart they have the same type attachment at the base of the vent window assembly.
Thanks skicker. I've been looking all over the place for information and I saw some A-body ones that looked very close to the picture in my 70 service manual. Oddly enough, MOST of the one's I've been seeing (e.g. C-body, 73 B-body, etc.) look very different. 
70 Roadrunner convt. street car
440+6, NOS, 4-spd, SS springs
'96 Mustang GT convt. street car
'04 4.6 SOHC, NOS, auto, lowered
"Officer, that button is for short on-ramps"
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Re: Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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I know your windshield idea is correct since I've got a '67 Charger windshield on my car now..... so the vent window idea makes a lot of sense. The tough part is that I don't know if the vent window frame is the same. I found a guy with a '67 Coronet hardtop vent window frame but he's in another state & the piece isn't out of the car. Does anyone have an old Hollander interchange book that can check? 
70 Roadrunner convt. street car
440+6, NOS, 4-spd, SS springs
'96 Mustang GT convt. street car
'04 4.6 SOHC, NOS, auto, lowered
"Officer, that button is for short on-ramps"
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Re: Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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That will not fit your vert wing.
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Re: Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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Hey Mike, so are you saying that the 67 Coronet hardtop vent window frame will not fit my 70 Roadrunner convt? What will fit? Also, what about that little "loop clip" at the bottom that I broke off (in picture 1st post)? Does anyone have a Hollander Interchange book? 
70 Roadrunner convt. street car
440+6, NOS, 4-spd, SS springs
'96 Mustang GT convt. street car
'04 4.6 SOHC, NOS, auto, lowered
"Officer, that button is for short on-ramps"
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Re: Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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I don't have any pics here to reference...but I would almost bet money you can use the little clip from a 68-70 H/T. From what I can remember I don't think the Hollander book will cover the clip. I know it would the vent assembly but probably not just the clip. Can someone else post pics of the bottom portion of their vent window assemblies for comparison? A Body 67-72 and B Body 66-70?
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Re: Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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True you can use a 66 windshield and you can also use a 4 door windshield.
I went through all of this doing my 69 runner vert!
Four Door WS will NOT interchange with a vert or a hdtp.. the info above is incorrect...
I do believe the vent frame from a hdtp will fit in a vert because I used one in my car...
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Re: Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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I am getting a ton of conflicting information. I have a picture of the original passenger side clip/vent frame from my '70 convt. (Darn clip on that side is broken off too, but at least it is still there) AND a picture from a '69 Coronet station wagon. The '69 wagon does NOT have the front "wrench-looking" vent window leg at all (sorry can't upload that pic).
My #1 goal is to swap out an exact match vent window frame (does anyone have a Hollander Interchange book?)
My #2 goal would be to find just the clip from another car that is the same and re-attach it to my original '70 convt. vent window frame.
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Re: Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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Ok my friend here are the facts backed up with pictures. You cannot use a vent wing assembly from a hardtop and probably not from a station wagon.
Here is a side by side pic of a 68-70 hardtop vent wing frame leg and pivot (left) beside a 68 - 70 convertible vent wing frame leg and pivot (right). They are drastically different!!!!!
You can use this picture to see if you can use the station wagon one. It will be easy to tell.
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Re: Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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Here is a pic of the out side of the vent wing. You can immediately tell a convertible from a hardtop by just looking at the pivot. The convertible is smaller, see attached pic
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70 Hemi Cuda vert
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Re: Vent Window Channels CONVT vs. Hardtop/Wagon/4-door
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The hard top is longer. Period... end of confusion!!!
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70 Hemi Cuda vert
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Do not even try to re attach the leg where the factory spot welded it. It will interfere with the window slide. Clamp it in place a weld the out side of the frame and the leg. Done. (by the way easy to tell this is NOT a convertible frame and leg it is too big!)
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