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Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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01/23/15 11:22 PM
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I've got a head scratcher and figured I could get some answers here. I am working on a 1969 Dodge Charger 500 with a 440 and the A34 Super Track Pak 4spd and 4.10 Dana rear end.  I am trying to figure out what is the correct fan for this application. So I looked in the 1969 Chrysler Parts Catalog and from what I'm reading, it should be part # 2863215, which uses the 2806070 fan clutch. So we browse eBay and a few other places and decided to call Tony from Tony's Parts. He said that it should have the 2863216 fan. So I looked in the parts catalog again and the "216" fan shows that it was used in the 383 and 440 cars w/ A/C. He seemed pretty confident that the 216 was correct. Now, no disrespect to Tony at all... because I know that he REALLY knows his stuff and is a numbers kind of guy, but the book is telling me it should be the "215" fan. I don't know if I'm reading something wrong or maybe it was something wrong in the book. Just for the heck of it, I looked in the 1970-71 Chrysler Parts Catalog and if the Charger was a '70 with the same application, it looks like the "216" fan would be correct. Attached below are the 1969 and 1970-71 parts catalog pages. Please help me figure out which is correct for a 1969 Charger 500 440 w/ the A34 axle package. Thank you for your help and advice!!! Justin "CornDog"  
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1968 Plymouth Satellite (Un-Restored "Survivor")
1969 Dodge Charger (W.B. General Lee)
1969 Dodge Charger (Future DMCL Clone)
1969 Dodge Super Bee, 383 4spd
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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should be a 216 fan with the ink stamp part # (opposed to hard stamp)
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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01/24/15 01:29 AM
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Ok, so what am I overlooking in the parts catalog then?
Justin
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1968 Plymouth Satellite (Un-Restored "Survivor")
1969 Dodge Charger (W.B. General Lee)
1969 Dodge Charger (Future DMCL Clone)
1969 Dodge Super Bee, 383 4spd
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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Ok, so what am I overlooking in the parts catalog then?
Justin
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The proper part number is there.. 2863216.
It should have a thermostat clutch as well the 216 attaches to..
That is what my former '69 Charger 500 440 4speed car had.... Not sure if the clutch is the 070 version.
http://www.tonysparts.com/newproductsB.htm
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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01/24/15 04:27 PM
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I went thru a bunch of b'cast sheets - here's what they show  1969 b-bodies w/"AXLE PACKAGES" fan / clutch:HEMI auto 3.55s (A36) 2863 215/2806 070 HEMI auto 4.10s (A32) 2863 215/2806 070 Hemi 4-spd 3.54s (A33) HEMI 4-spd 4.10s (A34) 2863 215/2806 070 440 auto 3.55s (A36) 2863 216/2806 070 440 auto 4.10s (A32) 2863 216/2806 070 440 4-spd 3.54s (A33) 2863 215/2806 070 440 4-spd 4.10s (A34)just can't seem to locate a sheet with the correct set of OPTIONS  The 2806 070 fan clutch is a viscous drive unit without a thermostat on it.
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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The proper part number is there..
It should have a thermostat clutch as well the .....
The thermostatic clutches are usually used on cars with A/C 
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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01/24/15 05:34 PM
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Thanks for all of the comments. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one confused by what is printed in the '69 parts catalog. I wish it was a little more specific on which fan to use when it comes to certain axle packages. From what I understand, the "215" is 18in and the the "216" is 18.5in. I believe the pitch is 1/4in deferent too.
Justin
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1968 Plymouth Satellite (Un-Restored "Survivor")
1969 Dodge Charger (W.B. General Lee)
1969 Dodge Charger (Future DMCL Clone)
1969 Dodge Super Bee, 383 4spd
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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01/24/15 05:43 PM
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A12's with the 4.10 and 054 radiator all have the 216 fan. I would think a Charger with super track pack and maximum cooling would have the same? Looks like nobody would question a 215 with that parts manual for backup but I wouldn't question a 216 either. On the other hand, I wouldn't even look that close at it and they both look the same? I would want the 216 in mine but I would use the 215 if that's what I had available. 
A12 are a special "BEAST" if the Charger had 11" rear drums would that be OK also?
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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A12's with the 4.10 and 054 radiator all have the 216 fan. I would think a Charger with super track pack and maximum cooling would have the same? Looks like nobody would question a 215 with that parts manual for backup but I wouldn't question a 216 either. On the other hand, I wouldn't even look that close at it and they both look the same? I would want the 216 in mine but I would use the 215 if that's what I had available.
A12 are a special "BEAST" if the Charger had 11" rear drums would that be OK also?
I think the Super track pack typically would have front disc brakes with 10" rear drums? The R/T would have 11" rear drums if it's not a power disc brake car.
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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01/24/15 09:48 PM
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Everyone can guess or "ASSUME" a "216" fan belongs there or call your favorite expert & ask them.  ..... but does anyone have a b'cast sheet that contradicts the Parts Catalog information listed above?
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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01/25/15 02:34 AM
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Sadly, we do not have a broadcast sheet for the car. But we do have some paperwork from Grand Spaulding Dodge when the car was ordered and shipped to the dealership. The A34 axle package includes power disc brakes and the Dana would have 10in drums.
1966 Dodge Charger
1968 Plymouth Satellite (Un-Restored "Survivor")
1969 Dodge Charger (W.B. General Lee)
1969 Dodge Charger (Future DMCL Clone)
1969 Dodge Super Bee, 383 4spd
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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01/25/15 05:30 AM
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A12's with the 4.10 and 054 radiator all have the 216 fan. I would think a Charger with super track pack and maximum cooling would have the same? Looks like nobody would question a 215 with that parts manual for backup but I wouldn't question a 216 either. On the other hand, I wouldn't even look that close at it and they both look the same? I would want the 216 in mine but I would use the 215 if that's what I had available.
According to the dealer data book;
The 440 track pak/super track pak did not have "maximum cooling", they had "'high performance radiator" (as the OP shows above).
The "maximum cooling" was only available as part of the A35 "trailer towing package", which was not available with a manual transmission (shown below).
IMO, you cannot compare an A12 to a "regular" B body 440 car (as mentioned above by Dan).
Also, the 440 track pak cars got the "055" rad, not the "054".
- Alan
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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Looking at the b/c sheet info posted by Dan; - hemi/4spd/4.10 had 215 fan - 440/4spd/3.54 had 215 fan So I think it is very likely that a 440/4spd/4.10 would also have a 215 fan, which would agree with the parts book. Here is the '69 service manual info. It shows 4 different fans used with the 440 engine, 18x2, 18x2-1/8, 18x2-1/4 and 18-1/2x2-1/2. There are no part numbers, however with 4 fan sizes, I think it is very likely that the parts book is correct that a '69 440/4spd would have the 215 fan.
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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01/25/15 06:25 AM
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Ok, so what am I overlooking in the parts catalog then?
Justin
"CornDog"
The proper part number is there.. 2863216.
It should have a thermostat clutch as well the 216 attaches to..
That is what my former '69 Charger 500 440 4speed car had.... Not sure if the clutch is the 070 version...
I think what the OP is asking is; If the 216 is the "proper" fan, why is it not shown for his specific application?
Could be a mistake in the parts book, they are not uncommon. Could also be that the 216, is not the "proper" fan, the 215 is. IMO, other info posted above show that as a strong possibility.
- Alan
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Re: Correct Fan for A34 Super Track Pak 1969 Dodge Charger
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01/25/15 12:52 PM
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I was asking because I used the parts catalog and decided that a 215 fan would be correct. But when we called Tony's Parts, who is VERY knowledgeable, he said that it should have the 216 fan. We have neither and needed to buy one... so if a 216 is correct, fine... if a 215 is correct, fine. But I always enjoy learning new things when it comes to these mopars... and I'm just wondering if I read the parts catalog wrong or what.
Thanks again for all of the input
Justin
"CornDog"
1966 Dodge Charger
1968 Plymouth Satellite (Un-Restored "Survivor")
1969 Dodge Charger (W.B. General Lee)
1969 Dodge Charger (Future DMCL Clone)
1969 Dodge Super Bee, 383 4spd
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