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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: slantzilla] #173438 12/24/08 11:52 AM 12/24/08 11:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI D dizuster master
dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	Quote: Quote: Quote: Glad to hear there is no starting line competition in S/G, looks like I can start collecting my winnings soon. Have you won more S/G races at the starting line, or the finish line?... No offense ment at all to S/C S/G racers. They are among the best bracket racers in the world. But those guys win on finish line driving more often then starting line driving... I just looked at the last NHRA national event of the year. The average S/G winning light was .018, not much room to "tree" someone to a win... You really, really don't have a clue. Actually I'm good freinds with one of the best S/G S/C racers in the country, we tend to share the same views on this stuff, maybe he doesn't have a clue either, I'll tell him to send his "Wally's" back to NHRA... Whatever you guys got it all figured out...

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: dizuster] #173439 12/24/08 12:05 PM 12/24/08 12:05 PM
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MR_P_BODY OP Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	For the guys that run the so called index racing, if you have 4 or 5 classes what kind of pay out do you see in each class. I would like to see enough classes that everyone can run but also have enough money to where its worth your time to go race

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: dizuster] #173440 12/24/08 12:25 PM 12/24/08 12:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	Well I can only speak for myself but I am only responding to what you type. Do you really think if someone cuts an .017 lite and the guy in the other lane cuts an .030 lite there is really any racing going on at the top end of the track? If there is the guy who went .017 does not know his car real well does he. Maybe you should head over to a site full of .90 racers and post the same opinions you have had here and see how they respond. My guess is they will pretty much echo the sentiments on here. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing #173442 12/24/08 12:53 PM 12/24/08 12:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,314 The Swamp MegaDart master
MegaDart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,314 The Swamp	Quote: The only pro tree red lights you ever see, is when someone is guessing because they can't run the number to compete...Like I said, it would take all of the starting line competition out of it. Yep, you need to go back to sanding on that car, all the fiberglass seems to be doing you good, you are clueless As Eric said, any good .90 racer sets his car up to go red, then slows it down. Exactly the same way you go at the stripe... I like your strategy Eric, will certainly try it! I set up for 9.89x on Saturday, ran 5 in a row last time out. Then big weather change for sunday and needed every bit of it to run a .90. Quote: Do you really think if someone cuts an .017 lite and the guy in the other lane cuts an .030 lite there is really any racing going on at the top end of the track? Yes I do, absolutely. Either your kidding or way better driver then me... I've gotten much better but most people can't see .030 at the stripe let alone .01x Then enter the baggers we have around here and throw another wrinkle into it... Go make some laps in S/G and let us know what you think them

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: MR_P_BODY] #173443 12/24/08 04:33 PM 12/24/08 04:33 PM
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cbarracuda mopar Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 415 Peru	Heads Up with six different ET classes means six different winners. Each winner gets points which will be cumulative at the end of the year. 400 protree. This way you will bring more drivers and more people to the stands. Full Body cars only. 4899377-fotoddbarracuda.jpg (23 downloads)

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: cbarracuda] #173444 12/24/08 04:44 PM 12/24/08 04:44 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY OP Master
MR_P_BODY OP Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Heads Up with six different ET classes means six different winners. Each winner gets points which will be cumulative at the end of the year. 400 protree. This way you will bring more drivers and more people to the stands. Full Body cars only. In your 6 different classes how much do you win on a normal car count weekend (dollar wise)?

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: MR_P_BODY] #173445 12/24/08 05:23 PM 12/24/08 05:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,369 Ohio 3404 pro stock
3404 pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,369 Ohio	I went from foot braking and bottom bulbing in a 12.XX car to a box and brake in a 9.0X car and leaving off the first flash. I still don't know why everyone worries about the electronics the other guy has? you still have to do your thing right to cut a light either way, I found with boxes you have more things to screw up in less time!

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: 3404] #173446 12/24/08 06:08 PM 12/24/08 06:08 PM
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sg1093 enthusiast S Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 240 Pottstown, Pa.	At Maple Grove in PA in 2008 they had a race one sunday a month called "Street Battles" for cars only, .500 pro tree heads up 1/2 second brackets. No delay boxes and no throttle stops.You race every one in your bracket,then the bracket winners race each other on a handicapped .500 pro tree. Me and some of my friends ran a few races, and they were a blast. The car counts were not that great, and the purse was not great either. But because there were less cars, you could make more time runs. The first race they had I made 3 time runs, my friend made 5, and I had 4 elimination runs.

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: 3404] #173447 12/24/08 06:09 PM 12/24/08 06:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	My buddy runs his 68 Cuda in Super Street with the 10.90 index. His car will run 9.90's to 10.0's all out. Of course he uses all the electronics or he won't have a chance of winning. He runs the delay box because it is easier to be more consistent by launching as soon as you see yellow. The instant he see's yellow he releases the trans brake and of course the gas pedal was already on the floor. Then the delay box is set to actually release the transbrake when the delay gives him his best lite. I know I am only a T & T guy the last few years but I have ran a Pro tree and it is so easy to see how it is easier to time yourself to leave the instant you see yellow on the first lite rather then leaving on the last bulb on a full tree. I myself enjoy trying to cut a lite foot braking with my mild 11.50 street car but I am not a serious racer as I just like to go and have some fun grudge racing with friends. I really dont care for the way the Pro cars race with the cars laying down after the launch but thats just me. And to me if you run a heads up class but run on 1/2 second dails like 10.00 and 10.50 to 11.00 and 11.50 then it is still bracket racing as you can run out. It's just that the cars will launch together. Guess thats why I have fun at T & T's. Ron Last edited by 383man; 12/24/08 06:12 PM.

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: MR_P_BODY] #173448 12/24/08 06:17 PM 12/24/08 06:17 PM
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cbarracuda mopar Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 415 Peru	We are Competing for a trophy, so at the end of the day there are 6 different trophies. but as the popularity grew and each race brings more people to the track, the local newspaper and beer companies are interested therefore sponsoring the fastest cars. So in a way you are competing for sponsorship. This year 2009 the track will pay a little cash to winners of different classes. 4899532-fotoddbarracuda.jpg (18 downloads)

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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: 383man] #173450 12/24/08 07:01 PM 12/24/08 07:01 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 415 Peru cbarracuda mopar
cbarracuda mopar Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 415 Peru	Quote: And to me if you run a heads up class but run on 1/2 second dails like 10.00 and 10.50 to 11.00 and 11.50 then it is still bracket racing as you can run out. It's just that the cars will launch together. Guess thats why I have fun at T & T's. Ron Maybe it's still bracket racing but you run all out. Example: If you are in the 10.51 to 10.99 class and went 10.43, you seat aside and wait until the next class starts 10 to 10.49. You can do that only one time per day. Your R.T. is very imporatnt too. One time I ran 10.23 and the other guy ran 10.01. My light was 0.20, his light was 0.43. I beat him for 0.01 at the end 4899634-fotoddbarracuda.jpg (14 downloads) Last edited by cbarracuda; 12/24/08 07:07 PM.

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: MR_P_BODY] #173451 12/24/08 08:26 PM 12/24/08 08:26 PM
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kingdust member K Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 189 long island new york	at atco we run the 10.00 class. 500 pro tree. on a typical thursday nite you get 2 qualifying runs.the top 16 out of (usually 25 to 34 cars show up)get in. the bump usually in the low 10 teens( its been as low as 10.08) so if you dont hit the tree your done. they run a pro ladder 1/16 2/15 etc. you get 25.00 dollars for every round you go, 25.00 for #1 qualifier and the purse is around 500 to 600.00. 45.00 entry into the track but no extra for the class. cars that dont make the field can T/T. 8.50 class purse i believe is 1000.00. some times if 20 cars show up they might have an all run field. the racing is always close and the its always packed. we have alot of fun and everybody is friendly. LIFE IS A LESSON,YOU LEARN IT WHEN YOUR THROUGH!

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing #173452 12/24/08 09:54 PM 12/24/08 09:54 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 415 Peru cbarracuda mopar
cbarracuda mopar Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 415 Peru	Quote: People who can't bracket race hate it. like some have said not much fun to watch unless you understand it. we here are getting a new track about 20min from where i live and i really hope they they have the 8.0 7.0 6.0 5.50 heads up classes. i can go 7 flat on a 150 shot. but i Bracket race hi 7s. love to do both. Of course any type of race is fun for the driver. When you Index Race the two cars almost run the same numbers. When you bracket race, a 12 second car sometimes can beat a 9 second car. That will never happen in the street so it looks fake to the people on the stands. 4899971-fotoddbarracuda.jpg (17 downloads)

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: cbarracuda] #173453 12/24/08 10:41 PM 12/24/08 10:41 PM
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40ford mopar addict 4 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 572 Shelbyville, TN USA	We have just joined the Nostalgia Pro Comp Association(NPCA). It is based out of the Indy area. It's index racing, no electronics, no nitrous, .400 Pro tree---really geared to FEDs, roadsters and early gassers. Blown cars run methanol, unblown can run nitro. The indexes are 6.50, 7.00, 7.50, 8.00 for center steer cars and 7.50, 8.00, 8.50 etc for door cars. Some of the slower door classes do have races with more than one index competiting against each other. One of the things that impressed me about the group is the spectator count---really good! The only reason I mention it is you may want to check their web site for specifics---just a thought!

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: MR_P_BODY] #173454 12/24/08 11:19 PM 12/24/08 11:19 PM
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Avenger member A Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 83 VA.	All are welcome! OSBA Adds Index in 2009 The Outlaw Small Block Association (OSBA) will be adding four (4) heads-up index classes to its 2009 program. They are 9.00, 10.00, 11.50 and 13.00 sec. indexes. This will give some added excitement to the already established small block racing program. These classes are in addition to the already established C/1, C/2, Unlimited and 275 drag radial classes. Starting in 2009, C/1 class (2350 lb all motor) will be re-named �OSBA Pro Stock� and C/2 (2750 lb all motor) will now be called �Extreme Modified�. Unlimited class will remain the same. This change was implemented to give more character to these classes and if you saw them run in 2008, you can relate. The OSBA wants to give all of it�s racers a chance to win. We have had so many people say to us�how can I run with the OSBA? Or they say their car isn�t fast enough. Index racing gives everyone an opportunity to be competitive in an all heads-up racing field. Our Index program nicknamed,"OSBA vs. the World" is designed to allow other engine sizes a chance to compete against our strong contingent of small block racers. Somewhat of an index grudge race, so to speak. We are looking at Index racing as old school/new school heads up drag racing. Index racing will pay less to win, but will pay more racers on race day. www.osbadrag.com

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: Avenger] #173455 12/25/08 01:43 PM 12/25/08 01:43 PM
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dvw master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,824 MI, usa	Heres my take on it. First and formost the car has a great deal to do with it. With out a consistant car your really fighting a losing battle. Second, if its easier to leave off a bottom bulb why would we have tree blinders,crosstalk, etc. Cutting a good light off a top bulb is easier and more consistant. Period. Cutting a O or teen light is practice no matter which tree. The ave Supper Index car will cut lights in a closer range (.00-.015) than a ave footbrake car (.00-.040). Some are better ,some are worse. Look at the ave R/T times of different classes and you'll see. If you can't drive the finish line you won't win very often. You don't really think very many bracket racers dial ther car dead on,do you? Doug

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: dvw] #173456 12/25/08 02:05 PM 12/25/08 02:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington T Triple Threat master
Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	we have one organization up here that i plan on doing some racing with next year www.npsaracing.com I'll be trying my hand at their 12.50 real street class. Heads up, pro tree, break out applies, no electronic throttle stops. All car must be fully Street Legal. -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

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