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front disk set up for a 59 sport fury #1710852
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I have a 59 Sport fury with the original 361 in it. I am wondering if anyone knows what disk brakes from what mopar would bolt in.

Re: front disk set up for a 59 sport fury [Re: Southern steel] #1710853
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I believe I've read everything between the ball joints from a disc brake early 70s C body bolt up.
I know there are several aftermarket companies that have "kits". Gene

Re: front disk set up for a 59 sport fury [Re: Southern steel] #1710854
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the 57-61 plymouth[all models] use k719 lower joints and k 772 upper joints. these joints are used in 73-78 fury, road runner and satellite models. the k719 is a threaded lower joint, and is the same taper dimentions as the k7069 joint which is the press fit joint used in some years on the 73-78 lower arms. this info is from my moog master catalog. with that said, you may have to use the lower steering arms from the later models, or use different length tie rod sleeves to achieve proper toe settings. i did this swap using late diplomat cop car spindles and brakes on my brother's 64 300[it uses the same ball joints as your 59]. i can't remember which steering arm we ended up using, but i remember having to do something to get the right toe setting. it was an easy swap, and the alignment settings we used were also easy to dial in. we also modded the firewall to use the late master cylinder and booster at the same time. it hooked to the original pedal assembly with no problem. i can't say what your setup is like though, or what you may run into using the late booster/master set up because i am not familial with your setup. hope this helps.

Re: front disk set up for a 59 sport fury [Re: poorboy] #1710855
12/15/14 11:18 PM
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Quote:

I believe I've read everything between the ball joints from a disc brake early 70s C body bolt up.
I know there are several aftermarket companies that have "kits". Gene



gene, the 65-73 c- bodies used the k772 upper joint and the k7003[right] and k7005]left] lower joints. these are the joints with the steering arms attached. these lower joints might be the same taper as the early joints, but i have not compared them with each other, as i just concentrated on the screw in joints. just something to think about.

Re: front disk set up for a 59 sport fury [Re: moparx] #1710856
12/16/14 01:16 AM
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Moparx, back in the mid 70s I could have written a book (and probably should have) about what fit where and what would and would not interchange. Like most things when your young, you think you will never forget this kind of stuff, but as time wears on, you forget.

Thank you for the information, at some point, someone will ask, and I will probably remember about 1/2 of it again. That happens to me when I don't do things first hand. At this point in my life, I don't anticipate a disc brake swap onto a 59 Mopar, but my son keeps coming up with these projects for me, so who knows. His current project is a 57 Dodge wagon, the disc brake conversion was already riding inside the car when it came to us, or I might have been doing the project first hand. As it is, all I'm doing is installing parts.

One of the things I've noticed about Moparts is sometimes no one will respond until someone else does, then the info flows. I am prepared to make an educated guess based on past experiences, as long as I state "I believe," or "if I remember correctly". Then people with hard facts or real experience always step up and present the actual facts, especially if it conflicts with what I say, and I'm OK with that. Fortunately, there is still a lot of stuff I know for sure are certain and I will back that up.

When it comes to front suspension parts, there is generally 2 different taper angles, and 2 major taper hole sizes (until the metric system conversion added a few more). After size and angle, the next basic differences becomes the area surrounding the tapered hole, and the area surrounding the stud. The process used to mount the stud and the tapered hole change from time to time as well.
Through the years, Mopar tends to make running changes interchangeable as units. For the most part, disc brakes use the same size and angle of tapper as drum brakes on similar vehicles. Its usually not cost effective to maintain two different mounting systems. The ones that do, do so because the disc system has been adapted from a different, existing system. The biggest problem is when we try to update the mounting systems (change the ball joint design), then have to deal with additional changes. Gene

Re: front disk set up for a 59 sport fury [Re: Southern steel] #1710857
12/16/14 05:07 PM
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The F, M, J-body discs will fit the Forward Look cars but, just like the other cars, the spindle height is different and some will argue against the swap.

There's a bunch of bolt-on kits available for the FL cars, Scarebird is my favorite....fits the stock drum brake spindles and allows you to source your own rotors/calipers.

https://scarebird.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=64&product_id=54


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Re: front disk set up for a 59 sport fury [Re: John_Kunkel] #1710858
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I just looked at that and it appears to be a well-thought-out approach. Then I looked farther and found they make a kit for my '50 Buick! Wow!

R.

Re: front disk set up for a 59 sport fury [Re: poorboy] #1710859
12/16/14 11:31 PM
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gene, "when we were young.........." . geeze, when was that ? i forget.... you hit it on the head when you said about writing a book. we should have done just that ! back in the early 70's , i had a junk yard and could have told almost any one what would fit what, and there were many times the hollander was wrong ! today, if i didn't have the different "master catalogs", parts books, and a few hollanders, i couldn't tell if my socks would fit my feet ! i just wished there were a way we could impart our vast experiances into a base that could be accessed for future reference. and you are spot on with the taper and hole sizes. i have physically compared many part numbers, but as you know, there are a huge bunch out there that i haven't. and at this stage of the game, i'm like you. if i know for sure, or can give an educated guess, i'll try to help out if i can. keep up the good work !

Re: front disk set up for a 59 sport fury [Re: John_Kunkel] #1710860
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john, looking at that scarebird kit made me remember something from my junkyard days. this is off the wall here, but sometime in the 70's, rambler[ i know, amc, but they will always be ramblers to me ] had a disc setup on several cars. the javelin and amx come readily to mind. what was neat about this setup was the "bolt on" spindle stub and brake assembly. at times i thought about adapting one of those setups to not only get disc brakes, but lower the spindle stub height at the same time. sort of "the idle hands of the devil" or however that saying goes.....

Re: front disk set up for a 59 sport fury [Re: moparx] #1710861
12/17/14 04:25 PM
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The '71-'74 AMC Matador disc brake spindles bolted on with four bolts.....very popular for home-built trailers.


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