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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: BSB67]
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12/15/14 12:32 PM
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.....You can get beyond 400hp very easilly without gtting into anything beyond the cam, and that includes the factory intake and carb.
I'd like to see that.
Give me a decent running 440, any year, all stock. You pay parts and the dyno test after. I'll document anything I do. It's that simple.
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: Fern]
#1708494
12/15/14 12:39 PM
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Hughes whiplash cam.
Headman headers 78076. ( I picked these mid length headers since I have power steering and fast ratio arms. Still waithing for a response from them if these fit without modifiction).
Holley SD intake.
Already have 770 carb.
Anything I am missing
I'm no fan of Hughes personel or products. But a cam with 230° @ .050 or more should be fine to get you what you want. Make sure the heads will work with your choice, and you need to consider the valve springs that each cam will need. Some need dual springs and the guides cut down. A favorite cam of mine is the Crane H302-2 hydraulic - but it's not the cheapest. I've made close to 500hp in 440s with it but typically it's around 420-30.
I'd add a new ignition. Either the add-on box and distributor, or a new distributor that does it all. I like vacuum advance too - so I'd get one with it. I hear the FireCore unit might be a good choice but haven't tried one. I have used MSD with great results.
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: moper]
#1708495
12/15/14 09:15 PM
12/15/14 09:15 PM
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BSB67
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.....You can get beyond 400hp very easilly without gtting into anything beyond the cam, and that includes the factory intake and carb.
I'd like to see that.
Give me a decent running 440, any year, all stock. You pay parts and the dyno test after. I'll document anything I do. It's that simple.
So I guess that means you have not done it.
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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: BSB67]
#1708497
12/16/14 06:33 AM
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Pale_Roader
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What did it run?
That one never actually made it down the track, but it was always an annoyingly consistent 1/2 second behind my (FAR more modified) Charger. Forget how many lengths it was, but always the same. Those two cars shouldn't have been close. My Charger had EVERY advantage (save the stock non-HP cam it ran)... and i do mean thats IT. EVERYTHING else was better. Not to mention it was 300lbs lighter too. That Satellite was a complete whale. We even named it 'Willy'...
Even a small/mild non-stock cam is worth quite a bit, especially on a non-HP big block.
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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: BSB67]
#1708499
12/23/14 11:40 PM
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.....You can get beyond 400hp very easilly without gtting into anything beyond the cam, and that includes the factory intake and carb.
I'd like to see that.
Give me a decent running 440, any year, all stock. You pay parts and the dyno test after. I'll document anything I do. It's that simple.
So I guess that means you have not done it.
I had my stock 67 HP440 rebuilt using basic stuff, stock valve job, eddy 750, comp cams 275. 2800 stall and 3.23, which is an issue. It is a dog. Have to turn the wheels to break traction. Trans has shift kit and it will occasionally chirp, but I was hoping for more. Stock intake and hp ex. Manifolds. I am pretty sure my 2007 Avalanche would blow its doors.
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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: p d'ro]
#1708500
12/24/14 12:00 AM
12/24/14 12:00 AM
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mopar346
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I had my stock 67 HP440 rebuilt using basic stuff, stock valve job, eddy 750, comp cams 275. 2800 stall and 3.23, which is an issue. It is a dog. Have to turn the wheels to break traction. Trans has shift kit and it will occasionally chirp, but I was hoping for more. Stock intake and hp ex. Manifolds. I am pretty sure my 2007 Avalanche would blow its doors.
Then something is wrong, my R/T has a smogger with it's 727 and the original 3.23 sure grip and it will light L60s at will on take off with just tomping it, much worse if I flex it up against the convertor and literally destroy them if I do a brake stand.
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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: p d'ro]
#1708503
12/24/14 01:31 AM
12/24/14 01:31 AM
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mopar346
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So my basic build was $3500 includng cam and heads. I am not sure if cam was dialed in right. Car runs very well, pulls 20lbs vacuum, starts easily and revs smooth. Just has no pants in the seat pull. Distributor curve done by FBO. Stock setup on eddy 750. May need more or dialing in? I have an A/F gauge to hook up and already have a bung welded in.. No time, plus I have never reworked eddy carbs.
Motor was done by known guy whose engines win in local FAST series. WHo knows. I mean new it was stock a 15 second car. If I had to guess now it is close to that.
I look forward to what the thread starter does with his motor and what he gets out of it. You are always wanting for more, so I suggest going bigger then you think you should.
In my case I may find a 67 RT or GTX with an awesome motor, swap with mine, and flip the other one. Maybe break even as mine has under 1k miles.
I would take it to the well known builder and have him look at it, could be something simple. I would think an out of the box Eddy should be fine to smoke'm, maybe your convertor isn't right, might be flexing or flattening out. The 3.23s aren't the/a problem.
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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: p d'ro]
#1708507
12/24/14 11:33 AM
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Mr.Yuck
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So my basic build was $3500 includng cam and heads. I am not sure if cam was dialed in right. Car runs very well, pulls 20lbs vacuum, starts easily and revs smooth. Just has no pants in the seat pull. Distributor curve done by FBO. Stock setup on eddy 750. May need more or dialing in? I have an A/F gauge to hook up and already have a bung welded in.. No time, plus I have never reworked eddy carbs.
Motor was done by known guy whose engines win in local FAST series. WHo knows. I mean new it was stock a 15 second car. If I had to guess now it is close to that.
I look forward to what the thread starter does with his motor and what he gets out of it. You are always wanting for more, so I suggest going bigger then you think you should.
In my case I may find a 67 RT or GTX with an awesome motor, swap with mine, and flip the other one. Maybe break even as mine has under 1k miles.
Hey P d'ro, once the holidays are over I'll swing by or you can come by here and we'll get that thing right. My 67 GTX w/ 87k and nothing more than a Summit 488 cam ran 13.80 w/ the stock tiny carter. With 3.55's, street tires and factory stall. I also ran 12.90 in a 67 Coronet w/ a maybe 9:1 440, 906 heads, RPM intake, 750DP, headers, 2800 stall and 3.91's. A warm 440 should blow the tires up at will and run mid 13's w/ a good tune.
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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
#1708508
12/24/14 12:54 PM
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So my basic build was $3500 includng cam and heads. I am not sure if cam was dialed in right. Car runs very well, pulls 20lbs vacuum, starts easily and revs smooth. Just has no pants in the seat pull. Distributor curve done by FBO. Stock setup on eddy 750. May need more or dialing in? I have an A/F gauge to hook up and already have a bung welded in.. No time, plus I have never reworked eddy carbs.
Motor was done by known guy whose engines win in local FAST series. WHo knows. I mean new it was stock a 15 second car. If I had to guess now it is close to that.
I look forward to what the thread starter does with his motor and what he gets out of it. You are always wanting for more, so I suggest going bigger then you think you should.
In my case I may find a 67 RT or GTX with an awesome motor, swap with mine, and flip the other one. Maybe break even as mine has under 1k miles.
Hey P d'ro, once the holidays are over I'll swing by or you can come by here and we'll get that thing right. My 67 GTX w/ 87k and nothing more than a Summit 488 cam ran 13.80 w/ the stock tiny carter. With 3.55's, street tires and factory stall. I also ran 12.90 in a 67 Coronet w/ a maybe 9:1 440, 906 heads, RPM intake, 750DP, headers, 2800 stall and 3.91's. A warm 440 should blow the tires up at will and run mid 13's w/ a good tune.
I will take u up on your gracious offer. I blame it on the 255 Coker red lines being sticky. Funny right. After I put on the exhaust manifold gasket and see how it runs I will touch base. Hopefully the poisonous stink doesn't come back.
Have a happy holiday. My son just pulled a 104 fever so we will spend Xmas eve at the dr.
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Re: How much to build 440?
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#1708509
12/24/14 12:56 PM
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got a set of 67 915 heads with a valve job done, stock valves if interested
My 915s were done stock. I gave my old set of heads with the other engine to my painter. I wonder if he still has them???
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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: p d'ro]
#1708510
12/24/14 09:43 PM
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Hope your son feels better by morning.
Merry Christmas!
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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: mopar346]
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12/25/14 01:22 AM
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Hope your son feels better by morning.
Merry Christmas!
Merry Xmas to all and Happy Holidays. Son had a positive flu test so we will not be doing family traveling, but will still show him a great time. I hope all of you and yours the best. pete
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Re: How much to build 440?
[Re: mopar346]
#1708512
12/26/14 01:12 PM
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.....You can get beyond 400hp very easilly without gtting into anything beyond the cam, and that includes the factory intake and carb.
I'd like to see that.
Give me a decent running 440, any year, all stock. You pay parts and the dyno test after. I'll document anything I do. It's that simple.
And how bout if it doesn't hit 400 hp you pay for the dyno pulls. 
This is not for my benefit, and I'm investing my time and others would be capitalizing on my experience. It's unfortunate others can't get good results but sometimes lack of skill and/or ignorance takes a toll.
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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