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Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: Uhcoog1] #1706551
12/06/14 06:44 PM
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For me, after driving uncoog1’s Duster this summer which has the Borgeson box, I was flat blown away with the way that car drove. Wayne turned me on to Peter as a long A-Body street/road race guy. When it came time to decide on the steering box, I went with Borgeson purchased from Peter because he drives what he sells and puts his name in front of it. The problems with some of the Borgeson boxes were manufacturing defects. Peter doesn’t make these boxes; he sells them at a very competitive price.

When these issues first came to light on this board, I had some conversations with Peter. I trust his judgment and ability to negotiate with Borgeson. Let’s think twice before we burn down a Mopar business that sells merchandise that occasionally may have an issue. My experience is that Peter will go to bat for the Mopar community to make things right.

As a side note, after completing the mockup of a 5.7 block with a Hemi head, uncoog1’s battered TTI driver side header and the Borgeson box, everything fit. It was tight, but it was straight. I’m looking forward to the spring when I get my heap on the road thanks to Mopart member uncoog1, AlexP and Peter.


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Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #1706552
12/06/14 06:58 PM
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All the drama aside, I for one would like to how much more clearance this box would give in a 3rd gen. Hemi'd A-body with powersteering.

I know the first powersteering box design seemed small enough to be able to use some kind of exhaust in an A-body, so I wonder if there's now room available for maybe a certain stock Hemi exhaust manifold?

Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: BigBlockMopar] #1706553
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All the drama aside, I for one would like to how much more clearance this box would give in a 3rd gen. Hemi'd A-body with powersteering.

I know the first powersteering box design seemed small enough to be able to use some kind of exhaust in an A-body, so I wonder if there's now room available for maybe a certain stock Hemi exhaust manifold?


It flat out makes power steering and a Gen III a reality in an A-body. This box has cost me so much money its sickening. But I love it.


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Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: 72Swinger] #1706554
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I know, I've got the first version, small sector shaft. Using it every day.

But I'm wondering if the new version of the box leaves more room for easier/better exhaust routing, as I've seen it's still a very tight fit.

Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: BigBlockMopar] #1706555
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TTI re-jigged their headers after enough complaints and the original is a go now. I now wish TTI would make an 1 7/8" primary version.


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Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: 72Swinger] #1706556
12/07/14 12:33 AM
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I liked the coupler that peter sells that looks like oem, made install a breeze, now for other issues, not his fault. i hope this doesn't defer other venders with coming up with new products for our cars.

Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: 72Swinger] #1706557
12/07/14 04:05 AM
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TTI re-jigged their headers after enough complaints and the original is a go now. I now wish TTI would make an 1 7/8" primary version.




You are referring to Gen III fitment, not 440, correct?

-Michael


Michael 1968 Barracuda Notchback Coupe 440 EFI 6-pack, T56 Magnum 6-spd
Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: 68cuda440] #1706558
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TTI re-jigged their headers after enough complaints and the original is a go now. I now wish TTI would make an 1 7/8" primary version.




You are referring to Gen III fitment, not 440, correct?

-Michael


Yes Gen III is what im talking about. A BB can be made to fit to with some denting, with this new smaller box it might even better.


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Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: dangina] #1706559
12/07/14 01:32 PM
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Right on about the coupler. I'm not sure why anyone would use a solid connector in place of the OEM slider.

The $100 less might push me over the tipping point i need to do something anyways with my junk box

Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: Trojmn] #1706560
12/20/14 05:19 PM
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I'll be monitoring this new box and the first couple of guys who try it out.

My wagon needs the steering box replaced within the next couple of years and I'd like to at least try the Borgeson box in it. Too many people say it is a night and day difference between the oem style and the Borgeson to ignore it.


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Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: Sneke_Eyez] #1706561
12/22/14 11:35 AM
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The price drop should help get everyone who's on the fence to maybe make the switch. The fact of the matter is that it does make a huge different. Having sold 35% of the total boxes sold by Borgeson I can say first hand the feedback is always the same after the installation.

Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: Mopar Mitch] #1706562
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Will this box withstand the higher pressure of the PS pump on a 5.7 Hemi?


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Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: 4speeds4me] #1706563
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I also want to know if it will withstand the high pressure Hemi ps.
I have the early borgeson box. It leaked fluid and was missing the coupler. Peter took care of the problems. He did his best to help and is an enthusiast like us. Thank you.


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Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: EV2CUDA] #1706564
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I've used the OE boxes with gen 3 pumps without a problem. I'd imagine the new boxes would be fine too.

Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #1706565
03/18/15 12:13 PM
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Hi Pete;
I ordered a steering box conversion kit from you yesterday but no email confirmation received as of today. Please advise as to status.

Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: 72cudarestmod] #1706566
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Check your email.

Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: Supercuda] #1706567
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Borgeson is not taking back the old boxes. I do not manufacture these boxes, they do.

For someone who has not bought this box or tried it, Tom - you have a lot to say. I wish you'd call me directly with your concerns.

I agree the angularity of the box has been established, but only in certain cases. However, even in the cases where the shafts weren't straight like the originals, NONE of the customers complained that has affected their steering. Remember 2 things, the coupler can take up some angle without a problem and look at new cars or rack applications with crazy angles.

This is the toughest board in the Mopar biz, and it has undoubtedly scared vendors away from posting here on numerous occasions. Most of the haters here have not bought the product or been concerned enough to call me directly.

I've been a contributor to this board for 10+ years a vendor and an advertiser. If you have legitimate concerns ask in a manner like you would face to face rather than throwing stones from behind your keyboard.

My number is 631 423 1517 if you want to speak intelligently to me.




Wow.

hater for point out defects in design and manufacturing?.

Last resort there.

Borgeson put out an overpriced half @ssed designed and built box, I will point out that you stepped up to address some of the issues with installing one, which if Borgeson was on the ball they would have already done and not had to rely on their customers to be beta testers and their resellers to be the R&D department.

To refresh your memory

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rt=all&vc=1

Of course in that thread it's the haters that are the problem once again, I notice your mouth conspicuously snapped shut once the OP posted exactly the contortions he had to go thru with both you and Borgeson before he could get something done, which was to buy another box, send in the defective one and hope the Borgeson would agree it was defective and refund his purchase price.


Lesson learned here? Do not buy Borgeson stuff and do not patronize Bergman AutoKrap. Might not fix the problem but I'll be one less aggravation to deal with.





I just now reviewed the above URL as posted.

In this tread I said that I had built a 1/8th inch thick shim to correctly position this box on our E Body. It should have read 1/4th inch thick shim. The posting is past the time when I can edit this URL directly.

Some months of running it now, must say it has been an excellent performer, albeit a tough journey getting there.

Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: Sxrxrnr] #1706568
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I only wish I could afford one. I need the clearance for my headers on my hemi. Tim


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Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: astjp2] #1706569
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Just want to say I put one of these on my car, a 66 Cuda over the winter and now have a couple of hundred miles on it and have to say it is one of the best upgrades I have done. I had a Firm Feel 3 with a reduced pressure pump on the car for about 10 years before this which was a great upgrade over stock but this unit is a way better upgrade! I have to add this thing was a direct bolt in, no alignment issues, just plug and play!

Re: UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX [Re: gold66cuda] #1706570
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Just want to say I put one of these on my car, a 66 Cuda over the winter and now have a couple of hundred miles on it and have to say it is one of the best upgrades I have done. I had a Firm Feel 3 with a reduced pressure pump on the car for about 10 years before this which was a great upgrade over stock but this unit is a way better upgrade! I have to add this thing was a direct bolt in, no alignment issues, just plug and play!




That is really good to hear. I'm going to try to work one of these into a future build.

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