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Boring 413 to 426 ??? #169959 12/18/08 12:59 PM 12/18/08 12:59 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,530 God's Country Maryland GODSCOUNTRY340 OP master
GODSCOUNTRY340 OP master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,530 God's Country Maryland	I've got a '64 413 HP block and was wondering how many of you have bored your 413 out to a 426 cid, any problems? Thanks. I love the smell of Deer guts in the morning, it smells like... VICTORY!

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: GODSCOUNTRY340] #169960 12/18/08 01:38 PM 12/18/08 01:38 PM
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62maxwgn master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA	Truck block yes,standard 413 no unless its Max Wedge block.You need to bore .125,thats 1/8",too much in my opinion.Not saying it can't be done but I wouldn't do it.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: GODSCOUNTRY340] #169961 12/18/08 01:54 PM 12/18/08 01:54 PM
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Pentastar440 mopar P Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 415 Indiana	Don't bore the block anymore than needed to make the cylinders straight and round at the next overbore piston size. Then go stroker crank if you want to gain cubic inches. Never bore a factory block to gain cubic inches. Or just find a 440 block if cubic inches is your goal . '65 Belvedere II - 446-Indy,727 transbrake,Dana 4.56 '38 Plymouth 4Dr - 408SixPack, A518, Dana60 4:10

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: 62maxwgn] #169962 12/18/08 01:55 PM 12/18/08 01:55 PM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: Truck block yes,standard 413 no unless its Max Wedge block.You need to bore .125,thats 1/8",too much in my opinion.Not saying it can't be done but I wouldn't do it. I don't know where you got your math but when I went to school 4.18 from 4.25 was .070. To answer the question Many 413's were bored to 426 spec's long before sonic checking was heard of and lived.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: MoparforLife] #169963 12/18/08 01:59 PM 12/18/08 01:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA 62maxwgn master
62maxwgn master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA	Quote: Quote: Truck block yes,standard 413 no unless its Max Wedge block.You need to bore .125,thats 1/8",too much in my opinion.Not saying it can't be done but I wouldn't do it. I don't know where you got your math but when I went to school 4.18 from 4.25 was .070. To answer the question Many 413's were bored to 426 spec's long before sonic checking was heard of and lived. If you were as old as I,maybe you would forget.You bore yours at what you want and I'll do the same.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: 62maxwgn] #169964 12/18/08 02:58 PM 12/18/08 02:58 PM
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pushbutton pro stock P Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,565 tennessee	I've got a 63 413 thats been bored to 426 +.030 over. It's not in a car at this time,pistons too exp. I didn't run it long enough to tell if it would run hot.The pistons had knurled and were slapping pretty bad.Just went with a 440.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: 62maxwgn] #169965 12/18/08 03:09 PM 12/18/08 03:09 PM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: Quote: Quote: Truck block yes,standard 413 no unless its Max Wedge block.You need to bore .125,thats 1/8",too much in my opinion.Not saying it can't be done but I wouldn't do it. I don't know where you got your math but when I went to school 4.18 from 4.25 was .070. To answer the question Many 413's were bored to 426 spec's long before sonic checking was heard of and lived. If you were as old as I,maybe you would forget.You bore yours at what you want and I'll do the same. Very likely as old or older. Was there & twisting wrenches when these engines were pretty common. Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks. But: Don't fix it, if it Works!

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: MoparforLife] #169966 12/18/08 03:19 PM 12/18/08 03:19 PM
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540challenger master 5 Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,826 NY usa	just have the block sonic checked and talk to you machinest about what bores you can go safetly and find a piston for.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: 540challenger] #169967 12/18/08 03:46 PM 12/18/08 03:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Yes, as long as it passes the sonic check you shouldn't have problems with most blocks, I have one that I had bored to 426 (1959 casting date passenger car block) and it passed the sonic check with flying colors, no problems, the thinnest spot was 170 AFTER it was bored, most mearurements were still over 200.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: MoparforLife] #169968 12/18/08 05:16 PM 12/18/08 05:16 PM
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62maxwgn master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Truck block yes,standard 413 no unless its Max Wedge block.You need to bore .125,thats 1/8",too much in my opinion.Not saying it can't be done but I wouldn't do it. I don't know where you got your math but when I went to school 4.18 from 4.25 was .070. To answer the question Many 413's were bored to 426 spec's long before sonic checking was heard of and lived. If you were as old as I,maybe you would forget.You bore yours at what you want and I'll do the same. Very likely as old or older. Was there & twisting wrenches when these engines were pretty common. I was there before they made them !

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: 62maxwgn] #169969 12/18/08 05:48 PM 12/18/08 05:48 PM
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SSAAHemiFan top fuel S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,431 USA	sonic test to be sure but many of those old block's have plenty of beef. 413 to 426 will be no problem in a "straight" block. (no core shift)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: 62maxwgn] #169970 12/18/08 06:03 PM 12/18/08 06:03 PM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: I was there before they made them ! Then you must of forgotten that a .060 over 413 is only .010" smaller than a stock bore 426. Ran plently of .060" over 413's with no issues and another .010" will not make a difference. BTW, an eighth of an inch is .125". They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: Supercuda] #169971 12/18/08 06:50 PM 12/18/08 06:50 PM
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62maxwgn master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA	Quote: Quote: I was there before they made them ! Then you must of forgotten that a .060 over 413 is only .010" smaller than a stock bore 426. Ran plently of .060" over 413's with no issues and another .010" will not make a difference. BTW, an eighth of an inch is .125". and two times that makes a quarter.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #169972 12/18/08 07:59 PM 12/18/08 07:59 PM
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G_bob master G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,616 Riverside, Ca	Quote: Yes, as long as it passes the sonic check you shouldn't have problems with most blocks, I have one that I had bored to 426 (1959 casting date passenger car block) and it passed the sonic check with flying colors, no problems, the thinnest spot was 170 AFTER it was bored, most mearurements were still over 200. Agreed. I have a 61 413 block that sonic checked THICK. We're boring it to 426 size and putting it in my wife's 64 fury. Walls are so thick, it could even be bored to 440 size and still be ok.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: G_bob] #169973 12/18/08 09:41 PM 12/18/08 09:41 PM
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I go fast member I Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 190 Wilmington,NC	Quote: Quote: Yes, as long as it passes the sonic check you shouldn't have problems with most blocks, I have one that I had bored to 426 (1959 casting date passenger car block) and it passed the sonic check with flying colors, no problems, the thinnest spot was 170 AFTER it was bored, most mearurements were still over 200. Agreed. I have a 61 413 block that sonic checked THICK. We're boring it to 426 size and putting it in my wife's 64 fury. Walls are so thick, it could even be bored to 440 size and still be ok. If you are using the crank that came with the block I suppose you are using the 61 transmission also.Otherwise it wont work with the 62 and later 727.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: I go fast] #169974 12/18/08 09:49 PM 12/18/08 09:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Good point, easy way to check. The "Old" crank (that won't work with a modern 727 trans) has 8 bolt holes, all other later cranks had 6.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #169975 12/18/08 10:08 PM 12/18/08 10:08 PM
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G_bob master G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,616 Riverside, Ca	Casting date on the block is oct 61. It came out of a 62 imperial. So I guess technically, the motor is a 62.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: G_bob] #169976 12/18/08 10:58 PM 12/18/08 10:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	You might luck out and have a 6 bolt crank/aluminum 727, look at the rear flange and count the bolt holes in the crank and you'll know for sure.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #169977 12/19/08 01:28 PM 12/19/08 01:28 PM
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G_bob master G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,616 Riverside, Ca	Quote: You might luck out and have a 6 bolt crank/aluminum 727, look at the rear flange and count the bolt holes in the crank and you'll know for sure. Confirmed, 6 bolt crank, still in great shape. Just needs polished and standard bearings.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: MoparforLife] #169978 12/18/09 09:52 PM 12/18/09 09:52 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: Truck block yes,standard 413 no unless its Max Wedge block.You need to bore .125,thats 1/8",too much in my opinion.Not saying it can't be done but I wouldn't do it. I don't know where you got your math but when I went to school 4.18 from 4.25 was .070. To answer the question Many 413's were bored to 426 spec's long before sonic checking was heard of and lived. well your bore spec is wrong. 413 have a 4.1875" bore so a .0625 over is required. but the smart ones bore it .060 and then finish hone it to each piston. bore it .070" over + hone and your gonna have problems. also when it comes to cylinder block thickness, there is no difference between the truck/industrial/ or passenger car engine.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: MoparforLife] #169979 12/18/09 10:07 PM 12/18/09 10:07 PM
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patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	Quote: Quote: Truck block yes,standard 413 no unless its Max Wedge block.You need to bore .125,thats 1/8",too much in my opinion.Not saying it can't be done but I wouldn't do it. I don't know where you got your math but when I went to school 4.18 from 4.25 was .070. To answer the question Many 413's were bored to 426 spec's long before sonic checking was heard of and lived. if you want to be technical, a 413's bore is 4 3/16 (4.1875), so it's only a .0625" overbore.... boring to a 440 size would be about 1/8" bore increase 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: patrick] #169980 12/18/09 10:47 PM 12/18/09 10:47 PM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks. But: Don't fix it, if it Works!

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? #169981 12/18/09 11:29 PM 12/18/09 11:29 PM
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HotRodDave I Live Here H Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,422 Kalispell Mt.	Quote: Quote: Quote: Truck block yes,standard 413 no unless its Max Wedge block.You need to bore .125,thats 1/8",too much in my opinion.Not saying it can't be done but I wouldn't do it. I don't know where you got your math but when I went to school 4.18 from 4.25 was .070. To answer the question Many 413's were bored to 426 spec's long before sonic checking was heard of and lived. well your bore spec is wrong. 413 have a 4.1875" bore so a .0625 over is required. but the smart ones bore it .060 and then finish hone it to each piston. bore it .070" over + hone and your gonna have problems. also when it comes to cylinder block thickness, there is no difference between the truck/industrial/ or passenger car engine. Nice to be able to agree with you about something I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: MoparforLife] #169982 12/18/09 11:33 PM 12/18/09 11:33 PM
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70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	I always thought the rule of thumb was .060 is the safe limit, anything beyond that, sonic check it. of course, never say never, if you sonic check is first, then you'll always be safe Photobucket sucks

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: 70Cuda383] #169983 12/19/09 12:08 AM 12/19/09 12:08 AM
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SGTFURY62 top fuel Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,954 Illinois	So...with this question thrown out there. What gives with these casting number 413/426's? 2468030 and 2205697 The casting numbers are for either displacement-does that mean they already have the meat to be a stock 426 and enough for overbore of a 426? I have one of each and this makes me curious. By the way...I think my 413's are special

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: SGTFURY62] #169984 12/19/09 12:39 AM 12/19/09 12:39 AM
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HotRodDave I Live Here H Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,422 Kalispell Mt.	They were the same basic castings but it is possible one was made into a 413 but still had bad core shift and would have been tossed had it been made into a 426 from the get go. I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: HotRodDave] #169985 12/19/09 01:07 AM 12/19/09 01:07 AM
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R70RUNNER master Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,861 Riverside, Ca	It's starting again someone picked this 413 thread out the trash from a YEAR ago.... If we're going to drag ALL the 413 threads back out AGAIN... Mods can we PLEASE have the :horse: smiley back Someone alert the usual 413 cheering section... here we go again Current cars: 2000 Dak Quad Cab, 2012 Challenger,1970 Road Runner, 1994 Firehawk 1966 Coronet post sedan, 1988 Corvette, 2005 Magnum RT all SOLD R70RUNNER<---VP Inland Empire Chapter of the MPM

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: R70RUNNER] #169986 12/19/09 04:58 AM 12/19/09 04:58 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I see you had to add another useless post to the 20 others you made in the other 413 thread that got locked. nice. but hey.. if you think your smarter the Tom Hoover, Jim Thornton, Mike Buckel, John Wehrly, Dick Burke, Dave Rockwell, Barns Daniels, Gary Congdon, Tom Coddington, and Pete McNichol lets here it. anyways heres a list of cars ET's. why don't you tell us how the 413 ranked: 1962 Dodge Polara 413 n/a [Email]410@5400[/Email] [Email]460@4400[/Email] 5.3 [Email]13.75@106.76mph[/Email] Car Life 6/62 1962 Dodge Polara 413 n/a [Email]410@5400[/Email] [Email]460@4400[/Email] 5.8 [Email]13.77@106.73mph[/Email] MT 8/62 1962 Pontiac Grand Prix SD 421 4.30 [Email]405@5600[/Email] [Email]425@4400[/Email] 5.4 [Email]13.9@107mph[/Email] MT 5/62 1963 Chevrolet Impala SS 409 n/a [Email]409@6000[/Email] [Email]420@4000[/Email] 6.3 [Email]14.9@98mph[/Email] MT 7/63 1963 Dodge Ramcharger 426 Factory Racer 426 4.56 [Email]425@5600[/Email] [Email]480@4400[/Email] n/a [Email]12.00@117mph[/Email] MCR 1987 Annual 1963 Ford Galaxie 427 3.50 [Email]425@6000[/Email] [Email]480@3700[/Email] 6.9 [Email]14.9@96mph[/Email] SI Auto 84 1963 Ford Galaxie 500 406 n/a [Email]405@5800[/Email] [Email]444@3400[/Email] 7.0 [Email]15.3@93mph[/Email] Car Life 3/62 1963 Pontiac Grand Prix SD 421 n/a [Email]405@5600[/Email] [Email]425@4000[/Email] 6.0 [Email]14.3@103mph[/Email] Car Life 3/62 1964 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 283 3.08 [Email]220@4800[/Email] [Email]295@3200[/Email] 8.5 16.6 no trap speed C&D 11/63 1964 Dodge 426 Hemi 426 n/a [Email]425@6000[/Email] [Email]480@4600[/Email] n/a [Email]11.40@125mph[/Email] MCR no date 1964 * Ford Shelby Cobra USRRC 289 n/a [Email]318@6000[/Email] [Email]300@4000[/Email] 5.1 [Email]13.2@108mph[/Email] MT 4/85 1964 * Ford Shelby AC Cobra 289 3.77 [Email]350@6500[/Email] [Email]330@5000[/Email] 5.8 [Email]14.4@96mph[/Email] C&D 12/91 1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt 427 427 n/a [Email]425@6000[/Email] [Email]480@3700[/Email] n/a [Email]11.76@122.78mph[/Email] B.Leal at 1964 NHRA Nats 1964 Plymouth Belvedere 426 Wedge 426 3.91 [Email]365@4800[/Email] [Email]470@3200[/Email] 6.8 [Email]15.2@96.5mph[/Email] MT 1/64 1964 Pontiac GTO 389 3.23 [Email]325@4800[/Email] [Email]428@3200[/Email] 6.9 [Email]15.0@91.5mph[/Email] R&T 3/64 1964 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 3.23 [Email]348@4900[/Email] [Email]428@3600[/Email] 5.7 [Email]14.1@104.2mph[/Email] R&T 3/64 1965 Buick Grand Sport 401 3.36 [Email]325@4400[/Email] [Email]445@2800[/Email] 6.8 [Email]14.92@95.13mph[/Email] C&D 1966 1965 Buick Grand Sport 401 3.36 [Email]325@4400[/Email] [Email]445@2800[/Email] 7.8 [Email]16.6@86mph[/Email] MT 5/65 1965 Dodge Coronet 426 Street Wedge 426 3.55 [Email]365@4800[/Email] [Email]470@3200[/Email] 7.9 [Email]15.4@89mph[/Email] Car Life 5/65 1965 Dodge Coronet Hemi 426 3.54 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 5.3 [Email]13.8@104mph[/Email] C&D no date 1965 Dodge Dart GT 273 3.23 [Email]235@5200[/Email] [Email]280@4000[/Email] 8.2 [Email]16.9@87mph[/Email] C&D 2/65 1965 Ford Mustang 289 Hi Po 289 4.11 [Email]271@6000[/Email] [Email]312@3400[/Email] 7.5 [Email]15.7@89mph[/Email] Sports Car Graphic 8/64 1965 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-350 289 3.89 [Email]306@6000[/Email] [Email]329@4200[/Email] 6.5 [Email]14.9@95mph[/Email] C&D 5/65 1965 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 330 3.23 [Email]345@5200[/Email] [Email]355@3600[/Email] 7.8 [Email]15.5@84mph[/Email] Car Life 5/65 1965 Plymouth Barracuda 273 3.23 [Email]180@4200[/Email] [Email]260@1600[/Email] 9.1 [Email]17.5@88.5mph[/Email] C&D 10/64 1965 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 4.11 [Email]360@5200[/Email] [Email]424@3600[/Email] 5.8 [Email]14.5@100mph[/Email] Car Life 5/65 1966 Buick Gran Sport 401 n/a [Email]325@4400[/Email] [Email]445@2800[/Email] 7.6 [Email]15.5@90.5mph[/Email] MT 12/67 1966 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 396 3.65 [Email]360@5200[/Email] [Email]420@3600[/Email] 6.0 [Email]14.66@99.88[/Email] mph C&D 3/66 1966 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 396 3.65 [Email]360@5600[/Email] [Email]420@3600[/Email] 6.0 [Email]14.66@99.88mph[/Email] C&D 3/96 1966 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 427 427 3.36 [Email]425@5600[/Email] [Email]460@4000[/Email] 5.4 [Email]12.8@112mph[/Email] C&D 11/65 1966 Chevrolet Nova SS (L79) 327 3.31 [Email]350@5800[/Email] [Email]360@3600[/Email] 7.2 [Email]15.1@93[/Email] mph Car Life 1966 1966 Chevrolet Nova SS L79 327 3.31 [Email]350@5800[/Email] [Email]360@3600[/Email] 7.2 [Email]15.1@93[/Email] mph Car Life 1966 1966 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-350 289 3.89 [Email]400@6000est[/Email] n/a 6.2 [Email]14.0@92mph[/Email] Car Life 7/66 1966 * Ford Shelby 427 Cobra 427 3.54 [Email]485@6500[/Email] [Email]480@3500[/Email] 4.3 [Email]12.2@118mph[/Email] C&D 11/65 1966 Nova SS L79 327 3 spd 3.73 [Email]350@5800[/Email] [Email]360@3600[/Email] 7.2 [Email]15.1@93[/Email] mph Car Life 5/66 1966 Oldmobile 4-4-2 ( Tri Power setup) 400 n/a [Email]360@5000[/Email] [Email]440@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]15.16@95.56mph[/Email] MT 6/66 1966 Oldmobile 4-4-2 ( Tri Power setup) 400 [Email]360@5000[/Email] [Email]440@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]14.8@97mph[/Email] Car Life 8/66 1966 Plymouth Barracuda 273 3.23 [Email]235@5200[/Email] [Email]280@4000[/Email] 9.1 [Email]17.6@81mph[/Email] C&D 6/66 1966 Pontiac GTO 389 3.08 [Email]335@5000[/Email] [Email]431@3200[/Email] 6.8 [Email]15.4@92mph[/Email] Car Life 5/66 1966 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 4 spd 3.55 [Email]360@5200[/Email] [Email]424@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]13.97@102.47mph[/Email] MCR Feb/Mar 1996 1966 Pontiac GTO ( Tri Power) 389 n/a [Email]360@5200[/Email] [Email]424@3600[/Email] 7.0 [Email]14.10@98.4mph[/Email] MCR 6/95 1966 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 3.55 [Email]360@5200[/Email] [Email]424@3600[/Email] 6.5 [Email]14.05@105mph[/Email] C&D 3/66 1967 Buick Gran Sport 400 3.36 [Email]340@5000[/Email] [Email]440@3200[/Email] 6.6 [Email]15.2@95mph[/Email] MT 4/67 1967 Camaro SS 350 3.31 [Email]295@4800[/Email] [Email]380@3200[/Email] 7.8 [Email]16.1@86.5[/Email] mph C&D 11/66 1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS 350 3.31 [Email]295@4800[/Email] [Email]380@3200[/Email] 7.8 [Email]16.1@86.5[/Email] mph C&D 11-66 1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 396 4 spd 4.11 [Email]325@4800[/Email] [Email]410@3200[/Email] 6.0 [Email]14.5@95mph[/Email] MT 5/67 1967 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 3.70 [Email]290@5800[/Email] [Email]290@4200[/Email] 6.7 [Email]14.9@97mph[/Email] C&D 3/67 1967 Chevrolet Corvette 427 4spd 4.11 [Email]435@5800[/Email] [Email]460@4000[/Email] 5.6 [Email]13.8@110.5mph[/Email] MT 4/97 1967 Dodge Charger Hemi 426 3.23 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 6.4 [Email]14.16@96.15mph[/Email] Car Life 2/67 1967 Dodge Coronet R/T 440 3.23 [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] 6.3 [Email]14.91@93.16mph[/Email] Hot Rod no date 1967 Dodge Coronet R/T Hemi 426 3.23 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 6.8 [Email]15.0@96[/Email] mph MT 6/67 1967 Ford Failrlane 500 427 4 spd 4.11 [Email]425@6000[/Email] [Email]480@3700[/Email] n/a [Email]14.0@102mph[/Email] Hot Rod 7/66 1967 Mercury Cyclone GT (factory tweaked) 390 4.11 [Email]335@4800[/Email] [Email]427@3200[/Email] n/a [Email]13.98@103.8mph[/Email] C&D 3/66 1967 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 400 3.08 [Email]350@5000[/Email] [Email]440@3600[/Email] 7.8 [Email]15.8@91mph[/Email] C&D 12/6 1967 Plymouth Satellite Street Hemi 426 3.54 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 5.3 [Email]13.8@104mph[/Email] C&D 4/66 1967 Plymouth Satellite Street Hemi 426 3.23 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 7.1 [Email]14.5@95mph[/Email] Car Life 7/66 1967 Plymouth Barracuda 383 3.23 [Email]280@4200[/Email] [Email]400@2400[/Email] 6.8 [Email]15.4@92mph[/Email] C&D 4/67 1967 Plymouth GTX 440 3.23 [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] 6.0 [Email]14.4@98mph[/Email] C&D 11/66 1967 Plymouth GTX Hemi 426 3.23 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 4.8 [Email]13.5@105mph[/Email] C&D 11/66 1967 Ponitac Firebird 400 400 3.90 [Email]325@4800[/Email] [Email]410@3400[/Email] 5.8 [Email]14.4@100mph[/Email] C&D 3/67 1967 Pontiac GTO RA 400 auto 3.90 [Email]360@5400[/Email] [Email]438@3800[/Email] n/a [Email]13.37@103.40mph[/Email] MCR Feb/Mar 1996 1968 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (2x4V) 302 4.10 [Email]290@5800[/Email] [Email]290@4400[/Email] 5.5est [Email]13.75@107mph[/Email] Hi Perf Cars 1968, 1968 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 396 4 spd 3.55 [Email]375@5600[/Email] [Email]415@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]13.60@105mph[/Email] Pop Hot Rodding 6/68 1968 Chevrolet Nova SS 396 3.55 [Email]375@5600[/Email] [Email]415@3600[/Email] 5.9 [Email]14.5@101.1[/Email] mph C&D 8/68 1968 Chevrolet Nova SS 396 396 3.55 [Email]375@5600[/Email] [Email]415@3600[/Email] 5.9 [Email]14.5@101.1mph[/Email] C&D 8/68 1968 Dodge Charger 440 n/a [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] 7.2 [Email]14.4@98mph[/Email] Hot Rod 10/67 1968 Dodge Charger R/T Hemi 426 3.91 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 6.0 [Email]13.54@101mph[/Email] MCR no date 1968 Dodge Coronet R/T 440 n/a [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] 6.0 [Email]13.86@98.36mph[/Email] MCR no date 1968 Dodge Coronet R/T (Convertible) 440 3.23 [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] 6.6 [Email]14.69@97.4[/Email] mph Car Life 4/68 1968 Dodge Dart GTS 340 3.91 [Email]275@5000[/Email] [Email]340@3200[/Email] 6.0 [Email]14.4@99mph[/Email] C&D 9/68 1968 Dodge Dart GTS 340 3.23 [Email]275@5000[/Email] [Email]340@3200[/Email] 6.3 [Email]14.68@96.2mph[/Email] Car Life 9/68 1968 Firebird 400 RA II 400 auto 4.11 [Email]340@4800[/Email] [Email]445@2900[/Email] n/a [Email]12.87@109.48[/Email] mph MCR Feb/Mar 1996 1968 Ford Mustang 428 CJ 428 4 spd 3.70 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]13.16@108.14mph[/Email] MCR Feb/Mar 1996 1968 Ford Mustang 428 CJ 428 n/a [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]13.56@106.6mph[/Email] Hot Rod 3/68 1968 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-500KR 428 3.50 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] 6.9 [Email]14.57@99.55mph[/Email] Car Life 10/68 1968 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500KR CJ 428 auto 3.00 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]14.86@93.87mph[/Email] MCR 12/95 1968 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30 400 3.91 [Email]360@5400[/Email] [Email]440@3200[/Email] 6.3est [Email]13.33@103.56mph[/Email] Car Craft no date 1968 Plymouth GTX 440 3.23 [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] 6.8 [Email]14.6@95.6mph[/Email] Car Life 2/68 1968 Plymouth GTX Hemi Convertible 426 3.23 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 6.3 [Email]14.0@96.5mph[/Email] Car Life 2/68 1968 Plymouth GTX Hemi Convertible(Slicks) 426 4.56 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.44@104.89mph[/Email] Car Life 2/68 1968 Plymouth GTX Hemi Convertible(Slicks) 426 4.30 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.97@99.77mph[/Email] Car Life 2/68 1968 Pontiac GTO RA II 400 n/a [Email]366@5400[/Email] [Email]450@3800[/Email] 7.4 [Email]14.19@98[/Email] mph MCR 6/95 1968 Pontiac GTO Ram Air II 400 4.33 [Email]360@5400[/Email] [Email]445@3800[/Email] 6.5 [Email]14.45@98.2mph[/Email] MT 2/68 1969 AMC AMX 390 N/A 3.15 [Email]315@4600[/Email] [Email]425@3200[/Email] 6.6 [Email]14.8@95mph[/Email] C&D 3/68 1969 AMC AMX 390 4 spd 3.54 [Email]315@4600[/Email] [Email]425@3200[/Email] 6.9 [Email]14.40@91[/Email] mph Hi Performance Ann 1969 1969 AMC Javelin SST 390 auto 3.15 [Email]315@4600[/Email] [Email]425@3000[/Email] n/a [Email]15.2@91.9mph[/Email] C&D 3/68 1969 AMC SC/Rambler 390 3.54 [Email]315@4600[/Email] [Email]425@3200[/Email] 6.3 [Email]14.7@96.3mph[/Email] C&D 5/69 1969 AMC SC/Rambler 390 n/a [Email]315@4600[/Email] [Email]425@3200[/Email] 6.3 [Email]14.2@100.8mph[/Email] Car Life 5/69 1969 Buick Grand Sport 400 2.93 [Email]340@5000[/Email] [Email]350@4800[/Email] 7.7 [Email]15.9@89[/Email] mph MT 1/69 1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 427 n/a [Email]425@5600[/Email] [Email]460@4600[/Email] 5.2 [Email]12.76@107[/Email] mph MCR 1987 1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 427 n/a [Email]425@5600[/Email] [Email]460@4400[/Email] 5.2est [Email]12.76@107mph[/Email] MCR 1987 Annual 1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 427 n/a [Email]425@5600[/Email] [Email]460@4400[/Email] n/a [Email]13.16@100.21mph[/Email] Hi Perf Cars 8/69 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 4 spd 3.73 [Email]375@5600[/Email] [Email]415@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]14.19@103.81mph[/Email] MCR Feb/Mar 1996 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 n/a [Email]375@5600[/Email] [Email]415@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]14.77@98.72[/Email] mph Car Life 5/69 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 4.88 [Email]375@5600[/Email] [Email]415@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]13.00@108.6mph[/Email] Supercar Annual 1969 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 396 4 spd 3.73 [Email]375@5600[/Email] [Email]415@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]14.23@97.28mph[/Email] MCR 12/97 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS Pace Car 350 auto 3.31 [Email]300@4800[/Email] [Email]380@3200[/Email] 8.0est [Email]16.0@88mph[/Email] est MT7/96 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 4 spd 4.10 [Email]290@5800[/Email] [Email]290@4200[/Email] 7.4 [Email]15.1@95mph[/Email] R&T 12/91 1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 427 n/a [Email]425@5600[/Email] [Email]460@4600[/Email] n/a [Email]13.16@110.21mph[/Email] Hi Perf Cars 8/69 1969 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 396 3.55 [Email]325@4800[/Email] [Email]410@3200[/Email] 5.8 [Email]14.41@97.35[/Email] mph C&D 1-69 1969 Chevrolet Nova SS 396 3.55 [Email]375@5600[/Email] [Email]415@3600[/Email] 5.8 [Email]13.87@105.14[/Email] mph Hot Rod 7/69 1969 Chevrolet Nova SS 396 396 3.55 [Email]375@5600[/Email] [Email]415@3600[/Email] 5.8est [Email]13.87@105.14mph[/Email] Hot Rod 7/69 1969 Dodge Charger 500 Hemi 426 3.55 [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] 5.7 [Email]13.68@104.8mph[/Email] Car Life 4/69 1969 Dodge Charger 500 Hemi 426 3.23 [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] 5.7 [Email]13.92@104.5mph[/Email] Car Life 4/69 1969 Dodge Charger 500 Hemi 426 4 spd 4.10 [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] n/a [Email]13.48@109[/Email] mph Hot Rod 2/69 1969 Dodge Charger 500 Hemi 426 Auto 3.23 [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] n/a [Email]13.80@105.01mph[/Email] Hot Rod 2/69 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona 440 n/a [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] n/a [Email]14.48@96.15mph[/Email] Road Test 12/69 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona Hemi 426 3.54 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 6.0 [Email]13.9@101mph[/Email] C&D 12/69 1969 Dodge Super Bee 383 3.55 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]425@3400[/Email] 5.6 [Email]14.04@99.55mph[/Email] C&D 1/69 1969 Dodge Super Bee Six-Pack 440 4.10 [Email]390@4700[/Email] [Email]490@3600[/Email] 6.3 [Email]13.8@104.2mph[/Email] Car Life no date 1969 Ford Cobra 428 CJ 428 auto 3.91 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]13.86@101.03mph[/Email] MCR 12/97 1969 Ford Fairlane Cobra 428 428 3.50 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] 5.6 [Email]14.04@100.61mph[/Email] C&D 1/69 1969 Ford Fairlane Cobra 428 428 3.50 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] 7.3 [Email]14.9@95.2mph[/Email] Car Life 1/69 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302 302 4 spd 3.91 [Email]290@5800[/Email] [Email]290@4300[/Email] 6.9 [Email]14.9@96mph[/Email] R&T 12/91 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 3.91 [Email]375@5200[/Email] [Email]450@3400[/Email] 7.1 [Email]14.09@102.85mph[/Email] Car Life 7/69 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 3.91 [Email]375@5200[/Email] [Email]450@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]13.34@107.5mph[/Email] Hi Perf Cars 9/69 1969 Ford Mustang GT 500 428 4 spd n/a [Email]335@5400[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]15.51@90.36mph[/Email] Musclecars 5/95 1969 Ford Mustang Mach I 428 CJ 428 auto 3.91 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]13.90@103.32[/Email] Car Life 3/69 1969 Ford Mustang Mach I 428 CJ 428 n/a [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]13.73@102.31[/Email] mph Car Craft 8/69 1969 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-350 351 2.75 [Email]290@4800[/Email] [Email]385@3200[/Email] 8.0 [Email]15.59@89.09mph[/Email] Car Life 2/69 1969 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-500 428CJ 428 3.91 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] 5.5 [Email]13.9@103.32mph[/Email] Car Life 3/69 1969 Ford Torino Talladega 428 428 3.50 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3200[/Email] 6.8 [Email]14.2@101mph[/Email] Special Interest Auto 2/86 1969 Mercury Cougar 428 CJ 428 auto 4.30 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]13.76@102.09mph[/Email] MCR Feb/Mar 1996 1969 Mercury Cyclone 428 CJ 428 3.91 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] 5.5 [Email]13.94@100.89mph[/Email] C&D 1/69 1969 Mercury Cyclone 428 CJ 428 4.11 [Email]335@5200[/Email] [Email]440@3400[/Email] 6.1 [Email]13.86@101.69mph[/Email] MT 8/69 1969 Mercury Marauder X-100 429 3.25 [Email]360@4600[/Email] [Email]480@2800[/Email] 7.8 [Email]16.0@86mph[/Email] C&D 12/68 1969 Mercury Marauder X-100 429 2.80 [Email]360@4600[/Email] [Email]480@2800[/Email] 7.5 [Email]15.17@92.3mph[/Email] Car Life 4/69 1969 Oldsmobile Hurst 455 3.90 [Email]380@5000[/Email] [Email]500@3200[/Email] 5.9 [Email]13.98@101.28mph[/Email] MT 6/69 1969 Oldsmobile Hurst 455 n/a [Email]380@5000[/Email] [Email]500@3200[/Email] n/a [Email]13.80@102.27mph[/Email] Pop Hot Rodding 8/69 1969 Plymouth Barracuda 440 3.55 [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] 5.6 [Email]14.01@103.81mph[/Email] Car Life 6/69 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner 440 six pack 440 4.10 [Email]375@4700[/Email] [Email]490@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]13.09@111mph[/Email] Super Stock 6/69 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.54@105.1mph[/Email] C&D 1/69 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.38@108mph[/Email] Super Stock 1/69 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.52@106mph[/Email] Super Car Annual 1969 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.32@107.7mph[/Email] Rodder & Super Stk 5/69 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.56@105.4mph[/Email] MT 2/69 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.35@107.4mph[/Email] Car Craft 1/69 1969 Plymouth Super Bee Six Pack 440 auto 4.10 [Email]390@4700[/Email] [Email]490@3200[/Email] n/a [Email]13.46@103.02[/Email] mph MCR Feb/Mar 1996 1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 400 3.55 [Email]335@5000[/Email] [Email]430@3600[/Email] 6.5 [Email]14.3@101.7mph[/Email] Sports Car Graphic 4/69 1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am RA IV 400 3.90 [Email]345@5400[/Email] [Email]430@3700[/Email] 5.6est [Email]14.10@100.78mph[/Email] Hot Rod 1969 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge RA IV 400 3.90 [Email]370@4600[/Email] [Email]445@3900[/Email] 5.7 [Email]13.20@104mph[/Email] MCR no date 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge RA IV 400 3.55 [Email]370@4600[/Email] [Email]445@3900[/Email] 6.2 [Email]14.45@97.8mph[/Email] Car Life 3/69 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge RA IV 400 3.90 [Email]370@5500[/Email] [Email]445@3900[/Email] 6.6 [Email]13.90@101.50mph[/Email] MCR 6/95 1969 Pontiac GTO RA III 400 n/a [Email]366@5100[/Email] [Email]445@3600[/Email] 7.4 [Email]14.10@98.2mph[/Email] MCR 6/95 1969 Pontiac Trans Am RA IV 400 3.90 [Email]345@5400[/Email] [Email]430@3700[/Email] n/a [Email]14.10@100.78mph[/Email] Hot Rod 3/69 1969 Pontiac Trans Am RA IV 400 3.90 [Email]345@5400[/Email] [Email]430@3700[/Email] n/a [Email]14.6@99.2mph[/Email] Road Test 7/69 1969 Pontiac Trans Am RA IV 400 3.90 [Email]345@5400[/Email] [Email]430@3700[/Email] n/a 14.17 no time Car Life 4/69 1969 Pontiac Trans Am RA IV 400 3.90 [Email]345@5400[/Email] [Email]430@3700[/Email] n/a [Email]14.2@99mph[/Email] C&D 2/93 1970 AMC AMX 390 3.54 [Email]325@5000[/Email] [Email]420@3000[/Email] 6.6 [Email]14.68@92mph[/Email] MT 12/69 1970 AMC Rebel Machine 390 3.91 [Email]340@5100[/Email] [Email]430@3600[/Email] 7.0 [Email]14.57@92.77mph[/Email] Road Test 5/70 1970 AMC Rebel Machine 390 n/a [Email]340@5100[/Email] [Email]430@3600[/Email] 6.4 [Email]14.4@99mph[/Email] MT 11/69 1970 Buick Gran Sport(Stg 1) 455 3.64 [Email]360@4600[/Email] [Email]510@2800[/Email] 5.5 [Email]13.38@105.5mph[/Email] MT 1/70 1970 Buick Gran Stage I 455 4 spd 3.64 [Email]360@4600[/Email] [Email]510@2800[/Email] n/a [Email]14.23@95.26mph[/Email] MCR 12/95 1970 Buick GSX 455 n/a [Email]360@4600[/Email] [Email]510@2800[/Email] n/a [Email]13.66@100.2mph[/Email] Car Craft 7/70 1970 Buick GSX 455 [Email]360@4600[/Email] [Email]510@2800[/Email] n/a [Email]14.0@103mph[/Email] Hi Perf Cars 10/70 1970 Buick GSX Stage 1 455 3.64 [Email]360@4800[/Email] [Email]510@2800[/Email] 6.2 [Email]14.0@103mph[/Email] Hi Perf Cars 10/70 1970 Chervolet Chevelle SS LS6 454 4 spd 4.10 [Email]450@5600[/Email] [Email]500@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]13.25@107.04mph[/Email] MCR Feb/Mar 1996 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (LT1) 350 4.10 [Email]360@6000[/Email] [Email]380@4500[/Email] 5.8 [Email]14.2@100.3mph[/Email] C&D 5/70 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 LT1 350 4 spd 3.73 [Email]360@6000[/Email] [Email]380@4000[/Email] 7.0 [Email]14.81@98.04mph[/Email] Car Craft 5/94 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle LS6 454 n/a [Email]450@5600[/Email] [Email]500@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]13.20@106mph[/Email] Super Stock 5/70 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS LS5 454 3.31 [Email]360@4400[/Email] [Email]500@3200[/Email] 6.0 [Email]14.20@100[/Email] mph MCR no date 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS LS6 454 n/a [Email]450@5600[/Email] [Email]500@3600[/Email] 5.5 [Email]13.75@98.46[/Email] mph MCR no date 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS LS6 454 4 spd 4.10 [Email]450@5600[/Email] [Email]500@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]13.98@100.27mph[/Email] MCR 12/95 1970 Chevrolet Nova COPO 350 4 spd 4.10 [Email]360@6000[/Email] [Email]380@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.52@102.13mph[/Email] MCR Feb/Mar 1996 1970 Dodge Challenger Hemi 426 4 spd 3.54 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.94@104.57mph[/Email] Musclecars 5/95 1970 Dodge Challenger Hemi SE 426 4 spd 4.10 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 6.3 [Email]13.1@107.12mph[/Email] Car Craft 11/69 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Six-Pack 440 3.23 [Email]390@4700[/Email] [Email]490@3200[/Email] 6.0 [Email]13.62@104mph[/Email] Car Craft 11/69 1970 Dodge Challenger T/A 340 3.55 [Email]290@5000[/Email] [Email]340@3200[/Email] 5.8 [Email]14.3@99mph[/Email] MCR no date 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 302 3.91 [Email]290@5800[/Email] [Email]290@4300[/Email] 6.5 [Email]14.85@96.15mph[/Email] Car Life 9/69 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 302 3.91 [Email]290@5800[/Email] [Email]290@4300[/Email] 8.1 [Email]15.8@90mph[/Email] MT 4/70 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 4 spd 3.91 [Email]375@5200[/Email] [Email]450@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]14.45@99mph[/Email] Autodriver 2/70 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 4 spd 3.91 [Email]375@5200[/Email] [Email]450@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]14.09@102.85mph[/Email] Car Life 7/69 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 4 spd 3.91 [Email]375@5200[/Email] [Email]450@3400[/Email] n/a [Email]13.64@104.65mph[/Email] Super Stock 6/69 1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator 302 4.30 [Email]290@5800[/Email] [Email]290@4300[/Email] 7.6 [Email]15.8@90mph[/Email] Car Life 4/70 1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator 302 3.91 [Email]290@5800[/Email] [Email]290@4300[/Email] n/a [Email]14.84@96.16[/Email] Road Test 9/69 1970 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30 455 auto 3.91 [Email]370@5200[/Email] [Email]500@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]14.17@95.37mph[/Email] MCR 12/95 1970 Oldsmobile F-85 W-31 350 3spdA 3.91 [Email]325@5400[/Email] [Email]360@3600[/Email] n/a [Email]14.62@96.1mph[/Email] Hot Rod 4/70 1970 Plymouth Barracuda 440 Six Pack 440 3.55 [Email]390@4700[/Email] [Email]490@3200[/Email] 5.9 [Email]14.04@100mph[/Email] MT 5/70 1970 Plymouth Barracuda 440 six pack 440 auto 4.10 [Email]390@4700[/Email] [Email]490@3200[/Email] n/a [Email]13.00@105.74mph[/Email] MCR 12/97 1970 Plymouth Barracuda AAR 340 3.55 [Email]290@5000[/Email] [Email]340@3200[/Email] n/a [Email]14.50@98.68mph[/Email] Car Life 7/70 1970 Plymouth Barracuda AAR 340 3.55 [Email]290@5000[/Email] [Email]340@3200[/Email] 5.8 [Email]14.3@99.5mph[/Email] C&D 7/70 1970 Plymouth Barracuda Hemi 426 4.10 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 6.9 [Email]13.70@101.2mph[/Email] MT 9/69 1970 Plymouth Barracuda Hemi 426 4 spd 3.54 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.10@107mph[/Email] Car Craft 1970 1970 Plymouth Barracuda Hemi 426 n/a [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] n/a [Email]13.10@107.12mph[/Email] Car Craft 11/69 1970 Plymouth Duster 340 340 3.23 [Email]275@5000[/Email] [Email]340@3200[/Email] 6.2 [Email]14.72@92.24mph[/Email] Car Life 3/70 1970 Plymouth Roadrunner Superbird 440 n/a [Email]375@4600[/Email] [Email]480@3200[/Email] n/a [Email]14.26@103.7mph[/Email] Road Test 4/70 1970 Plymouth Roadrunner Superbird Hemi 426 3.23 [Email]425@5000[/Email] [Email]490@4000[/Email] 4.8 [Email]13.5@105mph[/Email] C&D 1970 1970 Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 400 3.07 [Email]330@4800[/Email] [Email]430@3000[/Email] 6.4 [Email]14.7@98.9mph[/Email] C&D 6/70 1970 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am RA IV 400 3.73 [Email]345@5400[/Email] [Email]430@3700[/Email] 5.7 [Email]14.1@103.2mph[/Email] C&D 6/70 1970 Pontiac Grand Prix SJ 455 4 spd 3.31 [Email]370@4600[/Email] [Email]500@3100[/Email] n/a [Email]14.19@101.29mph[/Email] High Performance Cars ND 1970 Pontiac GTO 455 auto 3.55 [Email]360@4300[/Email] [Email]500@2700[/Email] n/a [Email]13.53@103.51mph[/Email] MCR Feb/Mar 1996 1970 Pontiac GTO RAIV 400 auto 3.90 [Email]370@5500[/Email] [Email]445@3900[/Email] n/a [Email]13.59@102.89mph[/Email] MCR 12/97 1970 Pontiac GTO 455 HO 455 3.31 [Email]360@4300[/Email] [Email]500@3000[/Email] 6.6 [Email]15.0@96.5mph[/Email] C&D 1/70 1970 Pontiac GTO Judge RA IV 400 auto 3.90 [Email]370@4600[/Email] [Email]500@3100[/Email] n/a [Email]13.60@105.04mph[/Email] MCR Feb/Mar 1996 1970 Pontiac Trans Am 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Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? #169987 12/19/09 05:41 AM 12/19/09 05:41 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,468 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,468 Florida STAYcation	Quote: also when it comes to cylinder block thickness, there is no difference between the truck/industrial/ or passenger car engine. This truly SHOWS how much this "moparts-newbie" knows !

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: dOc !] #169988 12/19/09 06:15 AM 12/19/09 06:15 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: also when it comes to cylinder block thickness, there is no difference between the truck/industrial/ or passenger car engine. This truly SHOWS how much this "moparts-newbie" knows ! again. pointless comments with NOTHING to back up YOUR statements. i've worked with every type of 413 you can imagine. even ones that power generators. there is no difference in cylinder thicknesses from the factory. you have to leave that "chevy" state of mind out of the mopar realm. why don't you share your moparts "master" knowledge for those of us who know nothing.. like me. PS any luck on finding your pistons for your 413? I got some oolldd TRW .040" over "Pop Ups". good luck with your dished ones. also have an .510" lift with 300* cam. reconize that one?

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? #169989 12/19/09 08:27 AM 12/19/09 08:27 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: Quote: Quote: also when it comes to cylinder block thickness, there is no difference between the truck/industrial/ or passenger car engine. This truly SHOWS how much this "moparts-newbie" knows ! again. pointless comments with NOTHING to back up YOUR statements. i've worked with every type of 413 you can imagine. even ones that power generators. there is no difference in cylinder thicknesses from the factory. you have to leave that "chevy" state of mind out of the mopar realm. why don't you share your moparts "master" knowledge for those of us who know nothing.. like me. PS any luck on finding your pistons for your 413? I got some oolldd TRW .040" over "Pop Ups". good luck with your dished ones. also have an .510" lift with 300* cam. reconize that one? Doc I have also been there and done that and you can crawl back in your hole with you nide remarks. Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks. But: Don't fix it, if it Works!

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? #169990 12/19/09 09:55 AM 12/19/09 09:55 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,468 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,468 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Quote: Quote: also when it comes to cylinder block thickness, there is no difference between the truck/industrial/ or passenger car engine. This truly SHOWS how much this "moparts-newbie" knows ! again. pointless comments with NOTHING to back up YOUR statements. i've worked with every type of 413 you can imagine. even ones that power generators. there is no difference in cylinder thicknesses from the factory. you have to leave that "chevy" state of mind out of the mopar realm. why don't you share your moparts "master" knowledge for those of us who know nothing.. like me. PS any luck on finding your pistons for your 413? I got some oolldd TRW .040" over "Pop Ups". good luck with your dished ones. also have an .510" lift with 300* cam. reconize that one? I certainly HOPE your general knowledge is better than your spelling. SLOPPY spelling ... does that equal sloppy knowledge ? Me thimks so. Well I do have some knowledge of the 413 motor ...and believe me - the industrial/truck/motorhome block is way WAY diff than the passenger car block that was stopped production in the middle 60's. THEMS the facts .... GHOST.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: MoparforLife] #169991 12/19/09 10:05 AM 12/19/09 10:05 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,468 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,468 Florida STAYcation	Doc I have also been there and done that and you can crawl back in your hole with you nide remarks. I see the SPELLING in some of these posts have not improved..... and if you agree with this Ghost-character ..... neither has the knowledge part either. The problem here is ... you don't know ... that you don't know. You have BEEN WHERE ? ..and done WHAT ? ... And BTW ...who rattled-YOUR-cage ?

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: dOc !] #169992 12/19/09 01:50 PM 12/19/09 01:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,518 Indiana MonGoo$e master
MonGoo$e master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,518 Indiana	Quote: Me thimks so. You spelled "thinks" wrong. Not cool to bust on people for spelling when you can't spell on your own. You also failed at capitalizing some letters elsewhere in your reply. But I'm just messing with you all. What's spelling have to do with knowledge of an engine? My YouTube Channel, "Hoosier Garage" https://www.youtube.com/HoosierGarage

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: GODSCOUNTRY340] #169993 12/19/09 03:15 PM 12/19/09 03:15 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 190 Wilmington,NC I I go fast member
I go fast member I Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 190 Wilmington,NC	Somewhere I have in writing stated by the "real" Larry Sheppard,retired Chrysler Staff Engineer who was responsible for the early Direct Connection Performance Manual that the only 413 block that can be "safely" bored to 426 is the 62/early 63 Max wedge and medium duty truck block.It can and has been done with others but you are taking a chance."If" I can find it,I'll post it.However,I'm sure there are still experts here that will dispute it. 5677541-92a433e2988c08ca.jpg (89 downloads)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: I go fast] #169994 12/19/09 05:14 PM 12/19/09 05:14 PM
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Mopar-Al master Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 6,780 Alabama	years ago, like 1994, we took a 413 motor home block and bored it to a stock 440, stuck some closed chambered heads on it and it lasted close to a week.....boom crack rattle....

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: Mopar-Al] #169995 12/19/09 07:51 PM 12/19/09 07:51 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 45 Queens, NYC Racer413 member
Racer413 member Joined: May 2008 Posts: 45 Queens, NYC	I have a 65 413 block bored to 426 size in my car right now. Its been in there 12 years and I beat the daylights out of it every chance I get.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #169996 12/20/09 03:12 AM 12/20/09 03:12 AM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Isn't an 8 bolt flange considered akin to the HEMI mill. "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: I go fast] #169997 12/20/09 03:23 AM 12/20/09 03:23 AM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: Somewhere I have in writing stated by the "real" Larry Sheppard,retired Chrysler Staff Engineer who was responsible for the early Direct Connection Performance Manual that the only 413 block that can be "safely" bored to 426 is the 62/early 63 Max wedge and medium duty truck block.It can and has been done with others but you are taking a chance."If" I can find it,I'll post it.However,I'm sure there are still experts here that will dispute it. You are correct, I have both the "DC" Manual and the Mopar Performance Engines Manual. It simply states in the latter manual, all big blocks pre 72', can be safely bored .060 over., whereas the DC book matches your quote. The supply of 413's were probably starting to "dry up" between the ink time of both manuals. Excellent point!!! "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: I go fast] #169998 12/20/09 03:40 AM 12/20/09 03:40 AM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: Somewhere I have in writing stated by the "real" Larry Sheppard,retired Chrysler Staff Engineer who was responsible for the early Direct Connection Performance Manual that the only 413 block that can be "safely" bored to 426 is the 62/early 63 Max wedge and medium duty truck block.It can and has been done with others but you are taking a chance."If" I can find it,I'll post it.However,I'm sure there are still experts here that will dispute it. Just to let you know that there is only one Larry Sheppard, so you do not need to refer to him as the "real one". "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: R70RUNNER] #169999 12/20/09 04:00 AM 12/20/09 04:00 AM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: It's starting again someone picked this 413 thread out the trash from a YEAR ago.... If we're going to drag ALL the 413 threads back out AGAIN... Mods can we PLEASE have the :horse: smiley back Someone alert the usual 413 cheering section... here we go again It seems that every time there is factual info placed on the board about 413's, some people get very nervous and frustrated. I guess some people cannot relate to Mopar BB with less than 4 1/4" bore. It is not a putdown, it's simply an observation. "Runner", the post was simply a true statement, given by the R&D Engineers from Chrysler, who were also pro racers. These honorable men were the basis of the 413/426 Superstock/Max-Wedge program. They were known as THE RAMCHARGERS. Honestly without them, the Big Block program in the later years would not have been as STRONG as it continues to be. Lighten up man, and learn a little more. There is more to posting besides . "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #170000 12/20/09 04:05 AM 12/20/09 04:05 AM
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dodge_nut mopar D Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 567 USA	its amazing that useful knowledge is actually provided and transferred.. i mean with everyone thinking they are smarter than the other person. i, for one, know i am not smarter than a lot of people. i can respect everyones knowledge, but couldnt you all just have ended this thread with this: the 413 can be bored to the 426 specs, but you have to sonic test it to ensure there is no undesired core shift. boom.. the thread can end.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: dodge_nut] #170001 12/20/09 04:52 AM 12/20/09 04:52 AM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: its amazing that useful knowledge is actually provided and transferred.. i mean with everyone thinking they are smarter than the other person. i, for one, know i am not smarter than a lot of people. i can respect everyones knowledge, but couldnt you all just have ended this thread with this: the 413 can be bored to the 426 specs, but you have to sonic test it to ensure there is no undesired core shift. boom.. the thread can end. It IS NOT the point of everyone thinking they are smarter than others. We are all trying to "share" information. To learn from one another opens up new ideas in ways to make more power and run better times, maybe get a better deal on parts. You never know. And I, do not think that I am smarter than the next person. If I have useful, factual knowledge, I try to share it with those who are willing to listen and research also. If they have info. then I would listen and research on the topic also. Nobody knows everything, and if they did they would not be mortal. Last edited by HYPER8oSoNic; 12/20/09 05:02 AM. "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: MonGoo$e] #170002 12/20/09 05:04 AM 12/20/09 05:04 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,468 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,468 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Quote: Me thimks so. You spelled "thinks" wrong. Not cool to bust on people for spelling when you can't spell on your own. You also failed at capitalizing some letters elsewhere in your reply. But I'm just messing with you all. What's spelling have to do with knowledge of an engine? Hey Goo$e ...who rattled yurr cage ? .. That misspelling ? ...was done on purpose. "Proper" English would be .... I think so. Same/same as my spelling of the word that I use for BETTER ... best-er. JUST a style of writing. Now to be ON TOPIC ... take a tip from guys who know-more about 413 and 426 blocks than ALL OF US .. put together... Talk to any stock-eliminator guy who runs the 413 or 426 motor .... they all go with the motor home/truck block ...... BECAUSE it is BESTer !

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: dOc !] #170003 12/20/09 11:58 AM 12/20/09 11:58 AM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: Quote: Quote: Me thimks so. You spelled "thinks" wrong. Not cool to bust on people for spelling when you can't spell on your own. You also failed at capitalizing some letters elsewhere in your reply. But I'm just messing with you all. What's spelling have to do with knowledge of an engine? [ Hey Goo$e ...who rattled yurr cage ? .. That misspelling ? ...was done on purpose. "Proper" English would be .... I think so. Same/same as my spelling of the word that I use for BETTER ... best-er. JUST a style of writing. Now to be ON TOPIC ... take a tip from guys who know-more about 413 and 426 blocks than ALL OF US .. put together... Talk to any stock-eliminator guy who runs the 413 or 426 motor .... they all go with the motor home/truck block ...... BECAUSE it is BESTer ! I believe that you are right about the Stock Eliminator guys using truck/industrial blocks. They are bound by rules in that class by the engine size to be competitive at a certain level. Change the engine, you change the level you are running in that class. Thanks Doc, not a bad post, they should not worry about your spelling. Most of us do know what you are talking about. As for the they have their place and refuse to learn from others. Don't waste your posts on them. "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #170004 12/20/09 12:11 PM 12/20/09 12:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: Isn't an 8 bolt flange considered akin to the HEMI mill. Yes, but the early 383RB's and 413's also had an 8 bolt flange, they earned the slang name "413 truck cranks" some time ago but that's not an accurate description as they were in passenger car 413's as well. They were about 3/8" longer at the flange than later 440 or Hemi cranks, they bolted directly to the converter and used no flex plate. They could bolt into a later engine, but the flange extended back too far to use with a late model flex plate & converter. When I built my 1960 413 engine (original 300F Long Ram engine) I swapped the crank to a later 6 bolt so that I could run a 1965 727 behind it.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: 70Cuda383] #170005 12/20/09 12:14 PM 12/20/09 12:14 PM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: I always thought the rule of thumb was .060 is the safe limit, anything beyond that, sonic check it. of course, never say never, if you sonic check is first, then you'll always be safe Very good point! Know before you punch the block. Best way. Or play the safe route, but $$$$, hone and put custom pistons (4.18) in it. Owners choice. Or, even safer up the ante and run a 440 block. Lots of options here!! "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #170006 12/20/09 12:21 PM 12/20/09 12:21 PM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: Quote: Isn't an 8 bolt flange considered akin to the HEMI mill. Yes, but the early 383RB's and 413's also had an 8 bolt flange, they earned the slang name "413 truck cranks" some time ago but that's not an accurate description as they were in passenger car 413's as well. They were about 3/8" longer at the flange than later 440 or Hemi cranks, they bolted directly to the converter and used no flex plate. They could bolt into a later engine, but the flange extended back too far to use with a late model flex plate & converter. When I built my 1960 413 engine (original 300F Long Ram engine) I swapped the crank to a later 6 bolt so that I could run a 1965 727 behind it. Great tech! I was kinda fuzzy when it came to those 8 hole cranks in the RB mills, thought that it was a durability issue. But thanks for bringing it to light and clearing the issue. Thanks again, this is one for my "archives". "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #170007 12/20/09 03:57 PM 12/20/09 03:57 PM
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dodge_nut mopar D Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 567 USA	here is a pic of a early torque converter.. for enlightenment purposes only 5679625-IMG00057a.jpg (267 downloads)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: dodge_nut] #170008 12/24/09 10:06 PM 12/24/09 10:06 PM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	That explains it!! Thanks for the "shop lesson". (No intention to be sarcastic). Great picture!! "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #170009 12/25/09 09:39 AM 12/25/09 09:39 AM
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bonefish master B Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl	Quote: Quote: Somewhere I have in writing stated by the "real" Larry Sheppard,retired Chrysler Staff Engineer who was responsible for the early Direct Connection Performance Manual that the only 413 block that can be "safely" bored to 426 is the 62/early 63 Max wedge and medium duty truck block.It can and has been done with others but you are taking a chance."If" I can find it,I'll post it.However,I'm sure there are still experts here that will dispute it. Just to let you know that there is only one Larry Sheppard, so you do not need to refer to him as the "real one". actually if you google LARRY SHEPPARD youll find that there are thousands of them(i can only suspect that most of them are imposters) Last edited by bonefish; 12/25/09 09:41 AM.

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #170010 12/25/09 10:26 AM 12/25/09 10:26 AM
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dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,468 Florida STAYcation	Quote: As for the they have their place and refuse to learn from others. Don't waste your posts on them. But HYPER ... it is sooooo much fun giving-'em a JAB and a wake-up-call from time-to-time ! Merri Xmas to all ... even the 413 haters ! JUST SEND ME all those reject parts ... I will put them to good use ...down-the-road !

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: dOc !] #170011 01/01/10 11:55 AM 01/01/10 11:55 AM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: Quote: As for the they have their place and refuse to learn from others. Don't waste your posts on them. But HYPER ... it is sooooo much fun giving-'em a JAB and a wake-up-call from time-to-time ! Merri Xmas to all ... even the 413 haters ! JUST SEND ME all those reject parts ... I will put them to good use ...down-the-road ! Maybe you're right Doc. Just remember to leave me one of those blocks also, when you start "scooping them up". And I know "Ghost" may take a couple !! "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: Boring 413 to 426 ??? [Re: bonefish] #170012 01/01/10 12:03 PM 01/01/10 12:03 PM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: Quote: Quote: Somewhere I have in writing stated by the "real" Larry Sheppard,retired Chrysler Staff Engineer who was responsible for the early Direct Connection Performance Manual that the only 413 block that can be "safely" bored to 426 is the 62/early 63 Max wedge and medium duty truck block.It can and has been done with others but you are taking a chance."If" I can find it,I'll post it.However,I'm sure there are still experts here that will dispute it. Just to let you know that there is only one Larry Sheppard, so you do not need to refer to him as the "real one". actually if you google LARRY SHEPPARD youll find that there are thousands of them(i can only suspect that most of them are imposters) Ah Er Um, the "key words" in the post were retired Chrysler Staff Engineer, in case you didn't get it. That's what makes him the "real" one. I do believe that most of us knew who was referred to in the post. I don't think that the ones that were "googled", have anything to do with the post so unless you are trying to be funny, save the jokes, please. However, if you can provide some useful info, we will definitely pay attention! Last edited by HYPER8oSoNic; 01/01/10 12:23 PM.

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