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Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 01:33 PM
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At the risk of sounding naive. What is the pecking order of the available BB aluminum cylinder heads? Starting with the best and working down to the worst. I have been just a bit confused by all of the offerings now.
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Mike (Digger73)
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 01:45 PM
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At the risk of sounding naive. What is the pecking order of the available BB aluminum cylinder heads? Starting with the best and working down to the worst. I have been just a bit confused by all of the offerings now.
Thanks,
Mike (Digger73)
Everyone on here will want to know what is its intended purpose?
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
[Re: 1320Dart]
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10/22/14 01:54 PM
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I am just trying to sort out the performance level of the heads that are on the market. I see several heads from the different vendors and just wonder where they all fit in with each other. I guess I should have asked for the list of the most power potential to the least. I am not looking for any recommendations just an FYI list.
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Mike (Digger73)
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 02:03 PM
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I am just trying to sort out the performance level of the heads that are on the market. I see several heads from the different vendors and just wonder where they all fit in with each other. I guess I should have asked for the list of the most power potential to the least. I am not looking for any recommendations just an FYI list.
Thanks,
Mike (Digger73)
HEMI or Wedge?
I'd like to hear some opinions from guys that port heads too.
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 02:05 PM
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Sorry. I forgot to mention that I am looking for wedge information.
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 02:40 PM
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if your after all out performance to better than stock my list would be staring with Predators, then B1MC, B1 originals, 440-1 SR M.W. ports,Eddy M.W. Victors, B1-BS stock unported, SR 440 port size, Eddy Victor 440 port size, Eddy RPM, 440 source then Pro Form. I don't know anything about the sidewinders heads from personel use or hearing anyone on this forum using them yet,except some dyno testing so far, so I won't be able to list them where they should be in my choice list  ITHS
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 02:47 PM
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Cab you left out Indy 600-13, 572-13, Brewer and Zeeker. Well Brewers if they will hold water and Zeekers if you can find them. But they are also options from best to least.
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 02:48 PM
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if your after all out performance to better than stock my list would be staring with Predators, then B1MC, B1 originals, 440-1 SR M.W. ports,Eddy M.W. Victors, B1-BS stock unported, SR 440 port size, Eddy Victor 440 port size, Eddy RPM, 440 source then Pro Form. I don't know anything about the sidewinders heads from personel use or hearing anyone on this forum using them yet,except some dyno testing so far, so I won't be able to list them where they should be in my choice list ITHS
This is exactly what I am looking for.
Thanks Cab
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Mike (Digger73)
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 02:49 PM
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there are also two versions of the Predators, Wedge and Hemi. Some feel the Hemi version has a tad more potential FWIW.
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 02:57 PM
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if your after all out performance to better than stock my list would be staring with Predators, then B1MC, B1 originals, 440-1 SR M.W. ports,Eddy M.W. Victors, B1-BS stock unported, SR 440 port size, Eddy Victor 440 port size, Eddy RPM, 440 source then Pro Form. I don't know anything about the sidewinders heads from personel use or hearing anyone on this forum using them yet,except some dyno testing so far, so I won't be able to list them where they should be in my choice list ITHS
I agree with Cabs list.
Except I haven't heard very much at all about the power capabilities of the Predator heads. If I was me, for less money than the Predator deal, I'd run down a set of the HEMI conversion heads for the Wedge block. Plus intake manifolds galore to choose from. 
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 03:08 PM
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I think the Predator head has the capability to get to 1300 HP or maybe a tad more. Plenty of the out there making 1200+. I think if someone started with a clean slate to build a Predator headed deal that 1300 is doable if not a tad more. By that I mean being able to move lifter spacing and bores etc. Of course being crutched by a 4.500 bore is the biggest issue. So the 600-13 head COULD be a very good option. Never seen one that mad me go WOW look at that. Except the version the Vettels run but they started with raw castings and blocks. Meaning spent lot$ of money.
As for the Brewer deal no personal experience. But have a had a few buddies who tried and liked them. There biggest issue was keeping them sealed. Assume the castings were just kinda hit and miss. But they are out there and do seem to make good power when working.
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 03:36 PM
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Well the two I know of both are making around 1100HP with their set ups. So there is some potential for decent power, again IF they seal.
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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10/22/14 03:55 PM
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I think they are pretty much obsolete these days. My understanding was they came about due to the lack of Hemi blocks back in the day. That is simply not the case these days. But contact Stage V and ask them. The Hansens are great folks, we used their stuff when we had a Hemi in the Cuda.
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