|
Re: Magnum/LX platform frame rust?
[Re: AMC400Mopar]
#1686545
11/16/14 11:51 AM
11/16/14 11:51 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,269
Slantytown
DUFFMAN
Ask And Ye Shall Receive
|
Ask And Ye Shall Receive
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,269
Slantytown
|
I'll have to take a look at that area of the frame on my 2007 SRT8 when I do the exhaust swap next summer. It's not driven during the winter, but it was by the original owner for the first 3 years of it's life. Mine only have 47k miles and honestly, I've never been under the car.
Maybe it's just the pics, but it doesn't look that bad to me, definitely not enough to be a safety issue.
No longer taking $h!t from anyone!
|
|
|
Re: Magnum/LX platform frame rust?
[Re: Supercuda]
#1686548
11/16/14 03:10 PM
11/16/14 03:10 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 105
ON, Canada
AMC400Mopar
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 105
ON, Canada
|
I wish I could take better photos to show you all, but as mentioned it is a very difficult area to see let alone get good photos. It would be easier to take photos with at least the downpipes and cats removed.
I have had my car inspected by two trusted independant garages, the local chrysler dealer, two chrysler bodyshops and two independent bodyshops. I kept getting the same shocked look on the technicians faces when once they got my car up on the hoist, brought out the big lights and really saw the extent of the damage. It was estimated that over a foot of frame material on each side of the car adjacent to the catalytic converters was severely rust perforated.
The way Chrysler Canada has brushed me off, and their refusal to acknowledge the situation by getting other LX owners to bring in their cars for inspection, has really shaken my faith. My last vehicle was a jeep TJ, my wife drives a Nitro, my inlaws drive a Caliber...in the past 15 years I have owned a Jeep Cherokee and my wife had a Turbo Daytona. Heck, even my '74 AMC Javelin has a mopar engine and drivetrain in it!
I've loved the Magnums ever since the first 'Hey man, whattaya got in that thing?' TV commercial came out. I knew I'd get one someday. But now I am regretting selling my Jeep, which I sold to my neighbor when I finally found what I thought was a nice clean Magnum RT. I should again mention the staff and management at Niagara Chrysler, Performance Chrysler's bodyshop and Dixons Bodyshop (used by Rose City Chrysler)have all been kind and professional. To a man they were visibly upset to see what happened to my car and were concerned about my safety when driving it.
|
|
|
Re: Magnum/LX platform frame rust?
[Re: AMC400Mopar]
#1686549
11/16/14 03:48 PM
11/16/14 03:48 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,269
Slantytown
DUFFMAN
Ask And Ye Shall Receive
|
Ask And Ye Shall Receive
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,269
Slantytown
|
Quote:
The way Chrysler Canada has brushed me off, and their refusal to acknowledge the situation by getting other LX owners to bring in their cars for inspection, has really shaken my faith.
It doesn't surprise me a bit. Playing devil's advocate here and by no means demeaning your concern, because I'm sure you are frustrated as any one in your position would be;
First, you have an old platform that was developed by a previous owner. By now the design or quality issue that caused it has been resolved so it's no longer a concern from a production or warranty stand point.
Second, Chrysler has enough problems with convincing the public that they build quality vehicles. It doesn't help that the public keeps citing old problems as a reason to hate Chrysler, dragging up a problem with a 10 year old car and creating their own recall would just add fuel to the fire.
Finally, if this is a known issue with the early LXs I'm sure Chrysler has done their research to determine if it is a safety concern, and if it was I'm sure they'd take action as a lawsuit over rusted frames would surely hurt their reputation, which already is been slow to heal.
The thing is all steel rusts eventual. Even though they have come a long way in rust prevention nothing is perfect. It's a 9 year old car with almost 100k on the clock, it's reasonable to assume it will have some rust.
No longer taking $h!t from anyone!
|
|
|
Re: Magnum/LX platform frame rust?
[Re: AMC400Mopar]
#1686550
11/17/14 02:41 PM
11/17/14 02:41 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
|
Quote:
It was explained to me by one of the body shop techs that the rust forms quickly because of the constant and severe heating and cooling cycles the frame is subject to right beside the catalytic converters.
I don't believe that one. If that were the case, any car out there with a cat or muffler getting hot would be rotting out frames and floors in all kinds of cars. I would bet there's water pooling in that part of the frame because of the way the frame steel overlaps internally. Then the freeze/thaw cycle sets in, exacerbated by the exhaust heat and it rusts out.
|
|
|
Re: Magnum/LX platform frame rust?
[Re: Supercuda]
#1686554
11/18/14 01:44 PM
11/18/14 01:44 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
|
Quote:
Quote:
While your frustration is understandable, I still think something else is going on here. Steel does not spontaneously rust just because it's hot. Not to the extent you describe. Especially on a car you say was not winter driven. If it did, exhausts and all kinds of other parts would be falling off cars left and right. I still believe water is collecting back there somehow. Possibly due to a design flaw.
So, how young are you? Back before stainless steel exhausts the exhaust systems did routinely fall off left and right. Especially in high salt usage areas. How you northerners can live with new vehicles being deliberately destroyed by the use of salt on the roads is beyond me. I remember my old man's Buick having nothing between his feet and the road but carpet when it was about 10 years old. Hell, the trans cooling lines rusted thru.
You missed the part where he said the car wasn't winter driven?
|
|
|
Re: Magnum/LX platform frame rust?
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
#1686555
11/18/14 01:59 PM
11/18/14 01:59 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,889
up yours
Supercuda
About to go away
|
About to go away
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,889
up yours
|
I got off on a semirelated tangent with the salt issue. Exhaust systems rotted off without salt, too. My 72 Swinger needed a new tail pipe, San Diego car it's whole life. Found a brand new one in the boneyard, hmm.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
|
|
|
Re: Magnum/LX platform frame rust?
[Re: Supercuda]
#1686556
11/18/14 02:33 PM
11/18/14 02:33 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,255
Canada
WO23Coronet
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,255
Canada
|
Quote:
Quote:
While your frustration is understandable, I still think something else is going on here. Steel does not spontaneously rust just because it's hot. Not to the extent you describe. Especially on a car you say was not winter driven. If it did, exhausts and all kinds of other parts would be falling off cars left and right. I still believe water is collecting back there somehow. Possibly due to a design flaw.
So, how young are you? Back before stainless steel exhausts the exhaust systems did routinely fall off left and right. Especially in high salt usage areas. How you northerners can live with new vehicles being deliberately destroyed by the use of salt on the roads is beyond me. I remember my old man's Buick having nothing between his feet and the road but carpet when it was about 10 years old. Hell, the trans cooling lines rusted thru.
Continual washing in the winter, and not focusing on the outside of the car but underneath where the real damage starts. Also liberal use of oil based sprays (WD40, fluid film, whatever)
|
|
|
Re: Magnum/LX platform frame rust?
[Re: Spaceman Spiff]
#1686558
11/19/14 01:15 AM
11/19/14 01:15 AM
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 3,060
N.W. Florida
Fat_Mike
master
|
master
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 3,060
N.W. Florida
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
While your frustration is understandable, I still think something else is going on here. Steel does not spontaneously rust just because it's hot. Not to the extent you describe. Especially on a car you say was not winter driven. If it did, exhausts and all kinds of other parts would be falling off cars left and right. I still believe water is collecting back there somehow. Possibly due to a design flaw.
So, how young are you? Back before stainless steel exhausts the exhaust systems did routinely fall off left and right. Especially in high salt usage areas. How you northerners can live with new vehicles being deliberately destroyed by the use of salt on the roads is beyond me. I remember my old man's Buick having nothing between his feet and the road but carpet when it was about 10 years old. Hell, the trans cooling lines rusted thru.
You missed the part where he said the car wasn't winter driven?
He just bought a 9 year old used car. Can't be sure it wasn't driven in winter.
Of course, but there's ZERO rust underneath this car other than right next to the cats on both sides. To me, the bottom line is that it's obviously a manufacturer's defect of some sort, but potential the monetary damage TO THE CORPORATION is far too exorbitant for them to accept liability for this case. It's a shame (for the owner), but I think we all understand why Chrysler Corp denies liability.
|
|
|
Re: Magnum/LX platform frame rust?
[Re: slantzilla]
#1686560
11/19/14 04:37 AM
11/19/14 04:37 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 6,257
gulfport, ms, west mi
rowin4
master
|
master
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 6,257
gulfport, ms, west mi
|
I feel sorry for you but hey, the car is 9 + years old, your the second owner and it's got about 100,000 miles on it. I know what you want but come on . You made your complaint to the proper people. You have 3 options, sell it, fix it or scrap it. If you have it fixed, save the receipts . Maybe someday someone will file a class action lawsuit that you can get in on. 
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
|
|
|
|
|
