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Years ago... Hotrod magazine... 190mph 68 Charger... #1683712
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Years and years ago, in Hotrod magazine there was a 'speed' theme one month. They had a surprisingly stock-ish 68 Charger.... all black and mean as hell looking. Think it was on the cover? That one also had an article on Big Red (69 Camaro), and the Silver State Classic race.

I cant seem to find my copy anywhere, and it was probably the most read Hotrod i ever bought.

I do remember that car supposedly went 190mph, with an iron 440 that made 'only' 505HP. 4-speed and 8 3/4" with 2.76 gears. It had a few very subtle aero mods, nothing at all outlandish or funny looking, and it ran stock car 15"s with slicks.

Does this sound right? Gonna ask the racers here finally. An all-iron 440 (ported heads, Team G intake, compression, etc.) and 505HP running close to 200 in a brick like that? Sure... they had the grille blocked off, but still... It wasn't super low either. 190mph with 2.76 gears and 28" tires?


Building my super-welfare/Mad-Max cheap Challenger out here, i haven't been able to stop wondering about this car, and what they did on so little (technologically speaking... LOTS ov stock OEM design in that car). Anyone here actually know that car? or the guys that built it?

Re: Years ago... Hotrod magazine... 190mph 68 Charger... [Re: Pale_Roader] #1683713
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Re: Years ago... Hotrod magazine... 190mph 68 Charger... [Re: BigBlockMopar] #1683714
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Yup... thats the one. Jesus... 18 years ago...??? When did i get old?

So what do the tech experts in here think about the tricks, and not-so-tricks on this 190mph car?

Re: Years ago... Hotrod magazine... 190mph 68 Charger... [Re: Pale_Roader] #1683715
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Very cool car, seems the guys dropped off the radar after this article. I wonder what ever happened to them and the Road Runner?

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Cool more gonads that I would have. I like acceleration but speed... not so much. Hats off to him in an old Mopar!

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Well, it does prove that the stock mopar stuff is pretty robust when dialed in together. The Green Brick was similarly not trick when it was running in the early-mid 90s. 20 years ago this is a pretty top shelf set up. Looking at the photos, those SS springs have been significantly de-arched to flatten them out like that.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN_c39k8jUk

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Well, it does prove that the stock mopar stuff is pretty robust when dialed in together. The Green Brick was similarly not trick when it was running in the early-mid 90s. 20 years ago this is a pretty top shelf set up. Looking at the photos, those SS springs have been significantly de-arched to flatten them out like that.




Last i read the Green Brick was running just over 160 though... another 30, or 'just' another 20mph maintained... however... is just downright sick. I too was a huge fan ov the Brick, especially before it started getting all the crazy big-buck stuff. This is also quite the endorsement ov factory Mopar engine design... to flog a 30 year old all-iron 440 like that for almost 100 miles...

Guess i'm just loving these cars that did this on stuff that half the guys here 'wouldn't drive to the store on'. You guys have to admit.. you dont have to look far here to find posts about 'dangerous' 40 year old factory engine parts or suspension pieces...

Anyways, gives a poor guy some hope for building a decent car with none ov this modern fancy equipment.

Re: Years ago... Hotrod magazine... 190mph 68 Charger... [Re: brads70] #1683720
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Oh man... this is better than Vanishing Point!

I want the full race in-car tape. I want it now.

Re: Years ago... Hotrod magazine... 190mph 68 Charger... [Re: Pale_Roader] #1683721
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN_c39k8jUk

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Oh man... this is better than Vanishing Point!

I want the full race in-car tape. I want it now.





It would cost you the use of the letter v.


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Re: Years ago... Hotrod magazine... 190mph 68 Charger... [Re: Pale_Roader] #1683722
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I too was a huge fan of the Brick, especially before it started getting all the crazy big-buck stuff.



I must have slept through the "crazy big-buck stuff" phase of the Brick. Looking at it in the shop, I still fail to see anything crazy or big-buck.

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I love listening to that Chargers engine wind out through first gear.


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Well, the video does show he was running in the 160 class, which means he was not sustaining 190 mph speeds over extremely long times, but hitting them at peaks.

However, with that, even the Nascar boys in '68 were running 170+ in stock bodied Chargers. Add a few aero pieces like on this Charger, and 190 shots aren't out of the question.

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Wades duster gained 8 mph just by blocking off the grill at the Texas Mile. And the gearing wasn't near as numerically low as that car. Wade went 150ish


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Wades duster gained 8 mph just by blocking off the grill at the Texas Mile. And the gearing wasn't near as numerically low as that car. Wade went 150ish




I also didn't shift into overdrive on the +8 mph run.


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Wades duster gained 8 mph just by blocking off the grill at the Texas Mile. And the gearing wasn't near as numerically low as that car. Wade went 150ish




I also didn't shift into overdrive on the +8 mph run.


that was a pretty expensive +8 IIRC lol....


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the last 3 miles of the run is downhill into town---that is where they radar and record the top speed...

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Wades duster gained 8 mph just by blocking off the grill at the Texas Mile. And the gearing wasn't near as numerically low as that car. Wade went 150ish




I also didn't shift into overdrive on the +8 mph run.


that was a pretty expensive +8 IIRC lol....








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Oh man... this is better than Vanishing Point!

I want the full race in-car tape. I want it now.





It would cost you the use of the letter v.




Lets see the product first!

Moot anyways... you think the 'v' is bad? You'd hate the alternative...

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I too was a huge fan of the Brick, especially before it started getting all the crazy big-buck stuff.



I must have slept through the "crazy big-buck stuff" phase of the Brick. Looking at it in the shop, I still fail to see anything crazy or big-buck.




I'm not calling it Big Red or some Steilow creation by any means... but to me at least, it was more fun to read when it was still 'junkyard' parts... When Barton got involved it left the realm ov reality for me, and i'd imagine many other 'cheap A-body guys' (haha) and Mopar guys. I dont remember much ov it now... its been years... but i remember super fancy exhaust (bought), pretty sure they had a big buck non-factory OD tranny in there too, EFI... Most ov that car now is pretty damn far from the junkyard...

What i liked best about it was the owner. Ehrenburg was just a crafty guy... always thinking... the consummate street-racer. But then when it started getting popular and needing more to win they just started throwing money at it and it lost something.

Still one ov my favorite cars ever... but when it was a crate 360, A833, ancient Mag case 8 3/4" (think its a new alum one now?), ALL factory design suspension and braked, Supercoupe rimmed world-beater it was just that much more... uh... profane...

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