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EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE #1679565 09/28/14 09:56 PM 09/28/14 09:56 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,176 East Coast A A/MP OP super stock
A/MP OP super stock A Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,176 East Coast	If you were to use a Valiant/ Cuda for this style protouring race build what would you suggest for front and rear suspension. Keep it ($)reasonable unless you are willing to sponsor the build.

Re: EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE [Re: A/MP] #1679566 09/28/14 09:58 PM 09/28/14 09:58 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 96,659 On The Boat, On The Lake, Wa. ... amxautox Still Retired. Still Posting on Moparts. A Lot.
amxautox Still Retired. Still Posting on Moparts. A Lot. Joined: May 2003 Posts: 96,659 On The Boat, On The Lake, Wa. ...	The Green Brick. Or The Other Car, darn I can't remember the name of it, or the name of the person. It's here in this forum someplace. Recently built. Red Brick I think. Tom "Everyone should believe in something; I believe I'll go fishing." -Henry David Thoreau Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths author unknown

Re: EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE [Re: amxautox] #1679567 09/28/14 10:19 PM 09/28/14 10:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	I think an aluminum Gen III Hemi is kinda a prerequisite if you want to win. If that is the case, you will be forced to an aftermarket K member with a rack and pinion to have any chance of a good exhaust. Even a good SB needs fenderwell headers on those cars. The stock suspension can be built to win I am confident there, but, you will also need 500rwhp if you can even be at 2800lbs. To me that is where things get iffy. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE [Re: 72Swinger] #1679568 09/28/14 10:34 PM 09/28/14 10:34 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,176 East Coast A A/MP OP super stock
A/MP OP super stock A Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,176 East Coast	My specs keep the weight under 2800 lbs. Power as per my specs are 700-750HP. I was looking at the Alterkation front end but this protouring and making turns is new to me. Changing course from stock eliminator to Optima Challenge.

Re: EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE [Re: A/MP] #1679569 09/28/14 10:37 PM 09/28/14 10:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,323 NY NY 3 340duster340 master
340duster340 master 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,323 NY NY	Quote: If you were to use a Valiant/ Cuda for this style protouring race build what would you suggest for front and rear suspension. Keep it ($)reasonable unless you are willing to sponsor the build. i am putting my 66 dart tougher now with FFI everything. springs i got from espo for the rears (6 leaf) and the t-bars are 1.1 MP units. i am not sure what the rules are for the optima challenge, but your going to want to reinforce the front UCA/shock mount tower for sure. the early a's are really built like beer cans in that department compared to the later cars.

Re: EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE [Re: 340duster340] #1679570 09/28/14 10:45 PM 09/28/14 10:45 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA Jim_Lusk I Live Here
Jim_Lusk I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA	Build the stock suspension similar to the Green Brick and Werner's old car. For that kind of horsepower, you'll need custom headers which really is not a big deal. The guy (LilCuda) who owns my old 66 looked into custom headers probably 25 years ago. He never had them made, but it should be so much easier today than it would have been then.

Re: EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1679571 09/28/14 10:57 PM 09/28/14 10:57 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 126 mass K kotacars member
kotacars member K Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 126 mass	Building a car like this is very expensive even more so being a early a body easy to build a 750 hp modern hemi but not cheap suspension is easy

Re: EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE [Re: A/MP] #1679572 09/28/14 11:04 PM 09/28/14 11:04 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	The recent Sebring Optima race had a well sorted out, all the goodies, lots of aero, 650Hp w/26?lbs of boost Neon, it kept up with the faster cars. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE [Re: jcc] #1679573 09/29/14 12:40 AM 09/29/14 12:40 AM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward!
MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward! Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal	Quote: The recent Sebring Optima race had a well sorted out, all the goodies, lots of aero, 650Hp w/26?lbs of boost Neon, it kept up with the faster cars. Member, prrc, is already building a pro-touring 63-65 Valiant with a hopped up SRT engine using the stock suspension locations. He's looking to make about 600 or so hp with a 2400 lb car.

Re: EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE [Re: A/MP] #1679574 09/29/14 11:28 AM 09/29/14 11:28 AM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 256 USA C Consulier enthusiast
Consulier enthusiast C Joined: May 2005 Posts: 256 USA	Quote: If you were to use a Valiant/ Cuda for this style protouring race build what would you suggest for front and rear suspension. Keep it ($)reasonable unless you are willing to sponsor the build. Do you want to have fun, or be competitive? If it's for fun, build whatever you can afford. To be competitive, the driver is more important than the car. Spend your money on the driver and the budget for your car will come down significantly. In either case, there is no reason to cut the suspension off your car. You can be competitive with torsion bars and leaf springs in both classes, but competitive in the under 3k class will be a lot cheaper.

Re: EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE [Re: jcc] #1679575 09/29/14 11:36 AM 09/29/14 11:36 AM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 256 USA C Consulier enthusiast
Consulier enthusiast C Joined: May 2005 Posts: 256 USA	Quote: The recent Sebring Optima race had a well sorted out, all the goodies, lots of aero, 650Hp w/26?lbs of boost Neon, it kept up with the faster cars. It was fast in under 3k class, but almost 5 seconds off the overall.

Re: EARLY A BODY OPTIMA CHALLENGE [Re: Consulier] #1679576 09/29/14 01:54 PM 09/29/14 01:54 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,176 East Coast A A/MP OP super stock
A/MP OP super stock A Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,176 East Coast	It is a HP/Weight ratio. This is why I choose the early A body. On average they weigh 2750 lbs. With some glass to compensate for the additional weight of roll bar and strengtheners and a 426 stroker motor that should be quite the package. With that being said, I is up to the driver and crew to sort out the car and bring it through the course.

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