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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1674990
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Just flowed my 6.4 head

.2 168
.3. 242
.4. 287
.5. 318
.6. 330

5.7 eagle head on my bench
.2. 144
.3. 220
.4. 275
.5. 300
.6. 300


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1674991
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The .300 and .400 flows are what get me almost more than the peaks.


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: 72Swinger] #1674992
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With all this good info, I can't decide if I want to build a NA motor or hang a 76mm-80mm turbo on one!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1674993
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What was the part number on the box those 6.4 heads came in?
Thanks

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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Dave_S] #1674994
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What was the part number on the box those 6.4 heads came in?
Thanks




68086555AA
68086556AA

I have 2 small turbos, and with the bigger chamber on the 6.4 heads, I'm thinking its probably time to just do it


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1674995
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those are $775 each plus core up here! And I work at a dealer!


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Dave_S] #1674996
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those are $775 each plus core up here! And I work at a dealer!




www.rtpartsco.com

Put in 2013 dodge charger, goto engine, goto cylinder heads
There they are


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1674997
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One of the most informative threads in a long time.. Keep it up..



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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: 1badx] #1674998
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This pic is of a stock replacement 6.4 piston from Manley
http://www.southeastrt.net/images/597400-main.jpg
This is a pic of my Manley's which must be an older design.




Nice! I love the thicker ring land!

Here's mine installed in my 5.7 block:






Are these 6.4 pistons in a 5.7 block?

Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: WO23Coronet] #1674999
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A 2.16 ls valve in my valve relief

8288967-1002142145.jpg (261 downloads)
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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1675000
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Just curious how much boost could you put to one of these reliably with an after market rotating assembly...


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1675001
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A 2.16 ls valve in my valve relief


yeah dont remind me Ray. My pistons were probably made before Apaches even existed. It's all good, its going in a Road Course car. But I would love to lay down a 10.99 or quicker after bolting the 28x12.5x15 ET Streets I have in the shed.p


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: 72Swinger] #1675002
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A 2.16 ls valve in my valve relief


yeah dont remind me Ray. My pistons were probably made before Apaches even existed. It's all good, its going in a Road Course car. But I would love to lay down a 10.99 or quicker after bolting the 28x12.5x15 ET Streets I have in the shed.p




I think you can rent a cutter from isky if needed


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Dragula] #1675003
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Just curious how much boost could you put to one of these reliably with an after market rotating assembly...




Completely stock 6.1 held 18psi for quite a while but keep in mind I tune quite a few of these, "snuck up" on this tune, checked plugs regularly and do have a dyno to experiment with. I really believe the tune has alot to do with making these engines live and perform.

As far as how much a forged rotating assembly will take - I'm not sure we know that yet. There's been quite a few that I have heard about that gave out at 14+psi but I believe this was due to other issues (i.e. mechanical, bad fuel, overheating, improper tuning). I'm at 18-20 psi with the Jeep right now and have made a full pass at 23psi but was pushing through the converter. So until Joe at ProTorque get's me squared away with a better setup I am stuck here. There are a few others out there that I have tuned in the 18+psi range that are running regularly but really having issues putting the power to the ground. We also have a twin turbo, 6 speed Challenger in the shop right now that makes 1000+whp at 18-19psi (5.7 based 370ci), idles at 650 and is quite as a church mouse until the turbo's come to life - then it's a handful. The trans I believe (and afraid about) is the limiting factor here as well.

To answer the question about the pistons in my 5.7 block - those are aftermarket pistons designed to work with any available head and I am currently running Thitek's w/inconnel exhaust valves.

Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1675004
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those are $775 each plus core up here! And I work at a dealer!




www.rtpartsco.com

Put in 2013 dodge charger, goto engine, goto cylinder heads
There they are




That is a cool site. Do all the heads come with valves, springs, etc or are they bare?


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1675005
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A 2.16 ls valve in my valve relief


yeah dont remind me Ray. My pistons were probably made before Apaches even existed. It's all good, its going in a Road Course car. But I would love to lay down a 10.99 or quicker after bolting the 28x12.5x15 ET Streets I have in the shed.p




I think you can rent a cutter from isky if needed


rotator is balanced and picking up a set of PWR 6.1 heads today. The Apache ship has left the station on this engine. That 20-30rwhp I could've had will just have to wait for another day. Mine are supposed to flow in the 360-370 range at .600.


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: 1badx] #1675006
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Just curious how much boost could you put to one of these reliably with an after market rotating assembly...




Completely stock 6.1 held 18psi for quite a while but keep in mind I tune quite a few of these, "snuck up" on this tune, checked plugs regularly and do have a dyno to experiment with. I really believe the tune has alot to do with making these engines live and perform.

As far as how much a forged rotating assembly will take - I'm not sure we know that yet. There's been quite a few that I have heard about that gave out at 14+psi but I believe this was due to other issues (i.e. mechanical, bad fuel, overheating, improper tuning). I'm at 18-20 psi with the Jeep right now and have made a full pass at 23psi but was pushing through the converter. So until Joe at ProTorque get's me squared away with a better setup I am stuck here. There are a few others out there that I have tuned in the 18+psi range that are running regularly but really having issues putting the power to the ground. We also have a twin turbo, 6 speed Challenger in the shop right now that makes 1000+whp at 18-19psi (5.7 based 370ci), idles at 650 and is quite as a church mouse until the turbo's come to life - then it's a handful. The trans I believe (and afraid about) is the limiting factor here as well.

To answer the question about the pistons in my 5.7 block - those are aftermarket pistons designed to work with any available head and I am currently running Thitek's w/inconnel exhaust valves.


yep is was funny is that video watching him try to get down the track lol.


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: 72Swinger] #1675007
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A 2.16 ls valve in my valve relief


yeah dont remind me Ray. My pistons were probably made before Apaches even existed. It's all good, its going in a Road Course car. But I would love to lay down a 10.99 or quicker after bolting the 28x12.5x15 ET Streets I have in the shed.p




I think you can rent a cutter from isky if needed


rotator is balanced and picking up a set of PWR 6.1 heads today. The Apache ship has left the station on this engine. That 20-30rwhp I could've had will just have to wait for another day. Mine are supposed to flow in the 360-370 range at .600.




the 6.1 head does flow very well. I would be happy with what you have


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: BBR] #1675008
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those are $775 each plus core up here! And I work at a dealer!




www.rtpartsco.com

Put in 2013 dodge charger, goto engine, goto cylinder heads
There they are




That is a cool site. Do all the heads come with valves, springs, etc or are they bare?




yes,complete! they even have spark plugs! that is where I bought my Eagle heads for $222 each

and now the 6.4 heads for $620 each


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: 1badx] #1675009
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Just curious how much boost could you put to one of these reliably with an after market rotating assembly...




Completely stock 6.1 held 18psi for quite a while but keep in mind I tune quite a few of these, "snuck up" on this tune, checked plugs regularly and do have a dyno to experiment with. I really believe the tune has alot to do with making these engines live and perform.

As far as how much a forged rotating assembly will take - I'm not sure we know that yet. There's been quite a few that I have heard about that gave out at 14+psi but I believe this was due to other issues (i.e. mechanical, bad fuel, overheating, improper tuning). I'm at 18-20 psi with the Jeep right now and have made a full pass at 23psi but was pushing through the converter. So until Joe at ProTorque get's me squared away with a better setup I am stuck here. There are a few others out there that I have tuned in the 18+psi range that are running regularly but really having issues putting the power to the ground. We also have a twin turbo, 6 speed Challenger in the shop right now that makes 1000+whp at 18-19psi (5.7 based 370ci), idles at 650 and is quite as a church mouse until the turbo's come to life - then it's a handful. The trans I believe (and afraid about) is the limiting factor here as well.

To answer the question about the pistons in my 5.7 block - those are aftermarket pistons designed to work with any available head and I am currently running Thitek's w/inconnel exhaust valves.


Mike at that boost level what valvesprings and lifter setup are you using?


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