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lots of brake questions!!!! #1665299
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Tubbed Dart Sport. 4 wheel disc. Aluminum mopar master cylinder.Factory manual brake pedal. Had disc / drum from factory
1. Do I need a proportioning valve?
2.15/16 or 1 1/8 bore?
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Put an manually adjustable valve in the rear brake line. Adjust as needed to balance the braking.


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1. Maybe not if everything else is perfectly sized and nothing changes weight, driving, pad compounds, etc, which means yes
2. Need a lot more info to give a better answer

Tires F/R, Dia, Disc Dia, Caliper specs, pedal ratio is stock?, use, etc

Others will chime in and need this info.


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Maybe not if everything else is perfectly sized and nothing changes weight, driving, pad compounds, etc, which means yes
2. Need a lot more info to give a better answer

Tires F/R, Dia, Disc Dia, Caliper specs, pedal ratio is stock?, use, etc

Others will chime in and need this info.

1. Tires front 25 X 3 Goodyear front runners
rears Goodyear 14 X 32 X 15
2. Factory front discs
3. Drag race 95% street drive 5%

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Re: lots of brake questions!!!! [Re: birdtracker] #1665303
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A good thread that will most likely answer a lot of your questions...
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...amp;Search=true

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I read that thread. I understand alot of it. What I don't understand is when they ask how hard I want to push on the pedal. I have no clue unless I set up and recorded pedal force.
So I put an aluminum master cylinder on my car with 1 1/8 bore. It doesn't stop very well. I almost ran over a track person who walked out in front of me leaving the burnout box going to the line.
I checked to make sure the lines were in the right spot. I think I will try a 15/16 bore master cylinder tomorrow. thanks. Birdtracker

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I read that thread. I understand alot of it. What I don't understand is when they ask how hard I want to push on the pedal. I have no clue unless I set up and recorded pedal force.
So I put an aluminum master cylinder on my car with 1 1/8 bore. It doesn't stop very well. I almost ran over a track person who walked out in front of me leaving the burnout box going to the line.
I checked to make sure the lines were in the right spot. I think I will try a 15/16 bore master cylinder tomorrow. thanks. Birdtracker




How much MC pressure are you getting? From what I was told you should have at least 1000 psi. With a large bore like that, usually it takes quite a bit of force to stop.

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Quote:

Maybe not if everything else is perfectly sized and nothing changes weight, driving, pad compounds, etc, which means yes
2. Need a lot more info to give a better answer

Tires F/R, Dia, Disc Dia, Caliper specs, pedal ratio is stock?, use, etc

Others will chime in and need this info.

1. Tires front 25 X 3 Goodyear front runners
rears Goodyear 14 X 32 X 15
2. Factory front discs
3. Drag race 95% street drive 5%

Birdtracker





Which factory disc brakes? 4 piston KH or one piston floating? Need diameters of piston(s)

What are the number of pistons in the rear and their exact diameter?

Re: lots of brake questions!!!! [Re: autoxcuda] #1665307
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15/16" bore might give too much pedal movement and maybe bottom out before max. pressure is reached. Maybe try a 1" bore MC first if you can borrow one somewhere.

You don't need a prop.valve with 4 discs, provided the rear discs/calipers are sized smaller then the fronts. But an adj. pressure valve will help dialing in the brake bias.
But since this is a dragracer, imo you want a little rear brake pressure-bias to the rear slick tires as the frontrunner-tires can only take so much braking force before they start skidding.

Re: lots of brake questions!!!! [Re: BigBlockMopar] #1665308
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I have a basic 73-76 A-body disk brake setup on my car, but with the later model 2.75" piston front calipers and 11.75" rotors.

I have the 15/16" master cylinder from Dr Diff. Stops well and doesn't even come close to bottoming the master cylinder. A-bodies with power brakes came with this size from the factory, and for some reason manual brakes came with 1 1/32" Master cylinders.

I would run the 15/16".


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The poster said he has factory manual brakes so that made me think the manual pedal ratio might be too much throw for a 15/16" MC perhaps.
My daily 73 Dart has a powered 15/16 mc aswell but still drums at the rear.

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I also have factory manual brakes.


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I think resolving the OP's F/R tire size is the biggest hurdle to determine braking solutions here, for real world applications.


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Its a holiday weekend so I just got done for the day. I washed and waxed my enclosed trailer, and fixed all the clearance lights that were out on the truck and trailer. Then I went and bought a master cylinder with a 1" bore. I bench bled it, then went to the calipers and I am not getting any fluid thru them. So I am going to put calipers and hoses on it. I believe I have a piston problem. Will respond back when I get them on. Birdtracker

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does it have a metering valve? is the plunger pulled for bleeding?


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