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dominator lean tip-in #1664775
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could a leaky primary throttle shaft cause a lean tip-in issue? thinking this may be the culprit of my lean cruising issues.

Re: dominator lean tip-in [Re: mopar dave] #1664776
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could a leaky primary throttle shaft cause a lean tip-in issue? thinking this may be the culprit of my lean cruising issues.


I would try squirting some carb or starting fluid, very carefuly, a little bit at a time, around the throttle shafts with the motor running to see if the idle speed increases or decreases from the vacume leak If it does change that MAY be part of the problem


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2.5, 3.5, 4.5 power valves the culprit. a holley carb must run rich for light throttle cruising imo. everybody leaning them out when they foul cold plugs street cruising. put a 6.5 pv in mine 73-83 jets and backed timing up 30* total. hotter plugs rc12yc. cruising like a new yorker now. and sounds great at traffic lights. change plugs when using nitrous. car was breaking up like crazy before light throttle cruising, fine wide open. now can cruise or race, just have to change plugs for nos.

Re: dominator lean tip-in [Re: johnmilner] #1664778
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no power valve. square jetted. I guess davinci wants the carb back to take a good look at it. thanks

Re: dominator lean tip-in [Re: mopar dave] #1664779
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Make it a 2-circuit w/a front pv and the proper pvcr size and never foul plugs again. I`m converting a 9375 right now for similar reasons.............


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Re: dominator lean tip-in [Re: Thumperdart] #1664780
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I will most likely end up doing the BLP 2 circuit kit, but my issue was never rich and fouling plugs. quite opposite which I never found anyone on the web with the same issue.

Re: dominator lean tip-in [Re: mopar dave] #1664781
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I will most likely end up doing the BLP 2 circuit kit, but my issue was never rich and fouling plugs. quite opposite which I never found anyone on the web with the same issue.




So at that spot where you say it`s lean does the wb see it that way? I test idle off idle on the foot brake fully warm and slowly climb up in the r`s watching/feeling what`s goin on then tune from there. I had a super lean spot above 1500 r`s when climbing up on the foot brake and fixed it w/a bigger ifr.............went from .037 to .039 and it`s sweet now. You MAY have a vac leak so get out the carb clean and find out and if not, well you know the drill.


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Re: dominator lean tip-in [Re: Thumperdart] #1664782
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yes, it slowly climbs from 13.5 to 16.5 range at tip in while cruising or parked in the driveway.

Re: dominator lean tip-in [Re: mopar dave] #1664783
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yes, it slowly climbs from 13.5 to 16.5 range at tip in while cruising or parked in the driveway.




That sounds more like a vac leak

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yes, it slowly climbs from 13.5 to 16.5 range at tip in while cruising or parked in the driveway.





Could be..........turn out the idle mixture screws and see what happens. Have you verafied the vac leak yet w/a cleaner?


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Re: dominator lean tip-in [Re: Thumperdart] #1664785
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yes, it slowly climbs from 13.5 to 16.5 range at tip in while cruising or parked in the driveway.





Could be..........turn out the idle mixture screws and see what happens. Have you verafied the vac leak yet w/a cleaner?




I was assuming he has messed with the mixture screws
to get it idling right... I still have no idea why
any of you even use the A/F meter for idle.. no 2
engines are the same... and NO ONE can give a number
of what it should be.. on a carb

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It`s a guide and just shows what makes it happy but not in stone. The wb definately comes in play for tip in and transition though for sure and of course cruise and wfo........... Climbing on the brake and having a stumble w/out the wb is a bit trickier and more time consuming. So, is there a leak?

Do you know the idle bleed and ifr sizes?

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Re: dominator lean tip-in [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1664787
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yes I agree. I think the throttle shaft leak may be my tip-in issue. yes, idles perfect, wot bad ass, cruise tip-in sucks. leans out and starts surging.

Re: dominator lean tip-in [Re: Thumperdart] #1664788
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I agree, the a/f meter is a tool to help tune carb. don't know why anyone would want to tune by ear. i'v done that in the past and the a/f meter is way quicker. dom, the carb is now in a box going back to dan davinci as he has asked for it back. thanks
also, put 950 back on and it runs perfect. no issues

Re: dominator lean tip-in [Re: mopar dave] #1664789
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I agree, the a/f meter is a tool to help tune carb. don't know why anyone would want to tune by ear. i'v done that in the past and the a/f meter is way quicker. dom, the carb is now in a box going back to dan davinci as he has asked for it back. thanks
also, put 950 back on and it runs perfect. no issues




Ok.... so whats my perfect A/F reading at idle.... I
have a meter but I dont use it till I have it idling nice

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well, innovate suggests between 13-14.7 as a target. that's where I set mine. (13.5-14)

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well, innovate suggests between 13-14.7 as a target. that's where I set mine. (13.5-14)




Thats pretty good when they have no clue on my cam..
I'll still stick with the way I set idle.. takes
maybe 5 minutes after the engine is warmed up

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I agree, the a/f meter is a tool to help tune carb. don't know why anyone would want to tune by ear. i'v done that in the past and the a/f meter is way quicker. dom, the carb is now in a box going back to dan davinci as he has asked for it back. thanks
also, put 950 back on and it runs perfect. no issues




I`d run the 950 over that dommy any day then I`d convert the dommy to a 2-circuit and be done w/it.............


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that is just a suggestion by innovate. I understand that every program or combo is different. their suggestion worked for me. I could of set mine at 12.5-15:1 as it idle the same, but I ended up with 13.5-14 which is right in the middle of their suggested target.
you mentioned getting it dyno tuned awhile back. well what do you think they use to tune your carb with for best a/f setting? an a/f meter. theres reads out on a pc screen, mine reads out on an in car gage. same tool

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that is just a suggestion by innovate. I understand that every program or combo is different. their suggestion worked for me. I could of set mine at 12.5-15:1 as it idle the same, but I ended up with 13.5-14 which is right in the middle of their suggested target.
you mentioned getting it dyno tuned awhile back. well what do you think they use to tune your carb with for best a/f setting? an a/f meter. theres reads out on a pc screen, mine reads out on an in car gage. same tool




On the dyno they didnt touch idle... we jetted for
max power... when I put the engine in with the trans
I set the idle mixture and idle speed
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and yes they did use a A/F meter to set the max power
but they also went higher and lower to see what the
dyno said... and if you call that the final jetting
your wrong.. you need to go to the track and jet for
max mph... then take your A/F reading and see what
it is as a reference point so its easy to get back to

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