Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
Are COMP cams junk? #1662469
08/23/14 02:26 AM
08/23/14 02:26 AM
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 137
midwest - USA
6
69/70 Plymies Offline OP
member
69/70 Plymies  Offline OP
member
6

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 137
midwest - USA
Just picked a Comp cam (Xtreme Energy) to use in my son's 1970 383HP engine. A young mechanic and I were having a discussion on cam manufacturers. He told me Comp's are like going to Wal-Mart for a cam. He claimed a couple fellows he knows tried Comp cams and had to replaced them in a short time. Please let me know if this is true. I can't afford a mistake like this! (blue-collar Mopar man)

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: 69/70 Plymies] #1662470
08/23/14 02:30 AM
08/23/14 02:30 AM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 6,906
IL, Aurora
A
ademon Offline
master
ademon  Offline
master
A

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 6,906
IL, Aurora
that young mechanic is wrong, the fellows he know don't know how to break in a cam.

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: ademon] #1662471
08/23/14 02:38 AM
08/23/14 02:38 AM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 18,493
Granite Bay CA
Kern Dog Offline
Striving for excellence
Kern Dog  Offline
Striving for excellence

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 18,493
Granite Bay CA
Uhhh....
While there have been many cam failures since the reduction of Zinc Phosphate in motor oils, Comp cams have surely had their share of problems. I wiped out two XE285HL cams within 3 years. The story I heard from Dwayne Porter was that it was the LIFTERS, not the cam that caused the problems.

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: Kern Dog] #1662472
08/23/14 03:24 AM
08/23/14 03:24 AM
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 137
midwest - USA
6
69/70 Plymies Offline OP
member
69/70 Plymies  Offline OP
member
6

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 137
midwest - USA
Was the lifter problem associated with Mopar's lifter being .904?

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: 69/70 Plymies] #1662473
08/23/14 04:13 AM
08/23/14 04:13 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,306
Laveen, Arizona
GTSDart340 Offline
pro stock
GTSDart340  Offline
pro stock

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,306
Laveen, Arizona
I agree on the lifters- I gave a comp cam and lifter set in my dart. I've replaced two lifters due to them being collapsed, and I have at least one more still out.


1949 International KB-2 "Mater" - 302/T5

1968 Dodge Dart GTS "The Drat" - 340/727

2006 Dodge Magnum R/T - Hemi

2016 Dodge Durango Limited - 3.6
Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: GTSDart340] #1662474
08/23/14 10:09 AM
08/23/14 10:09 AM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 7,274
s.w.fl
B
bonefish Offline
master
bonefish  Offline
master
B

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 7,274
s.w.fl
i use comp solid roller cams,never a prob.

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: 69/70 Plymies] #1662475
08/23/14 10:16 AM
08/23/14 10:16 AM
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,336
South-Central (Sebring), FL
Commando1 Offline
master
Commando1  Offline
master

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,336
South-Central (Sebring), FL
I will never use Walmart...ah, umm....Comp Cams again.

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: bonefish] #1662476
08/23/14 10:26 AM
08/23/14 10:26 AM

A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A



Comp good as any better than most--now...extreme energy cams suck because they have odd closing ramps and just plain Clatter--I hate them!! The nostalgia series are some of the best cams I have ever used--go with that vs the silly computer designed crud they call extreme energy
Most cam sellers buy all the catalog cams from Camshaft Machine and just grind the customs themselves
Every grind by almost every maker is in Camshaft Machines catalog--you can't buy from them--well..if you want to buy several hundred at a time you might could but..
It is to the point on flat tappets where if you buy quality lifters they are around $200 and so most are running China specials in name brand boxes and that is where the issues lie ( and oil)
Most all cams come from the same place
Very few flat tappets are custom grinds

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: ] #1662477
08/23/14 12:29 PM
08/23/14 12:29 PM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,776
Holland MI Ottawa
2
2boltmain Online content
master
2boltmain  Online Content
master
2

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,776
Holland MI Ottawa
I sure wish it wasnt so expensive to convert an LA to all roller valve train!


Keep old mopars alive.
Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: 2boltmain] #1662478
08/23/14 12:57 PM
08/23/14 12:57 PM
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,943
San Angelo, Texas, U.S.A.
1968RR Offline
top fuel
1968RR  Offline
top fuel

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,943
San Angelo, Texas, U.S.A.
I've run several Comp cams with no issues. As others have already mentioned, they need to be broken in properly (like all cams), and the XE series tend to be noisy (which i don't really mind).


"When I'm in a slump, I comfort myself by saying if I believe in dinosaurs, then somewhere, they must be believing in me. And if they believe in me, then I can believe in me." - Mookie Wilson
Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: 69/70 Plymies] #1662479
08/23/14 01:16 PM
08/23/14 01:16 PM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
L
lewtot184 Offline
master
lewtot184  Offline
master
L

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,916
usa
Quote:

Just picked a Comp cam (Xtreme Energy) to use in my son's 1970 383HP engine. A young mechanic and I were having a discussion on cam manufacturers. He told me Comp's are like going to Wal-Mart for a cam. He claimed a couple fellows he knows tried Comp cams and had to replaced them in a short time. Please let me know if this is true. I can't afford a mistake like this! (blue-collar Mopar man)


i don't like them.

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: 69/70 Plymies] #1662480
08/23/14 01:38 PM
08/23/14 01:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 28,068
Irving, TX
feets Offline
Senior Management
feets  Offline
Senior Management

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 28,068
Irving, TX
I bought my custom ground Comp cam in the spring of 2001. It found it's way into a couple rebuilds of the TT440 and was still in the second block when I sold the car this month.

13 years on multiple installs isn't too bad.


We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
- Stu Harmon
Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: 69/70 Plymies] #1662481
08/23/14 01:51 PM
08/23/14 01:51 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,218
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,218
Bend,OR USA
I've been building and racing Mopars since the mid 1960s. I have used most of the popular and not so popular cams out there. That being said on any given product your going to have users that like and dislike any and or all of them JUST like women, not everybody likes the same type I've been using mostly Comp Cams since the mid 1980 due to one of the Isky brothers jerking me around for multiple months on a custom ground cam Not so with Comp, they deliver on time every time I have had three problems with thier cam or lifters(all three in LA SB with both hydrualic or solid flat tappet lifters) in that time, hundreds of motors built and raced Not evry one degrees and breaks in thier cam properly I've not had any problems with either Comps XE or XE-HL sereis hydaulic cams like some others have had with noisy valve train with them I do use adjustable rockers and the proper length and size pushrods, not the stock OEM parts that some try to use Good luck, let us know what you decide


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1662482
08/23/14 04:10 PM
08/23/14 04:10 PM
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 137
midwest - USA
6
69/70 Plymies Offline OP
member
69/70 Plymies  Offline OP
member
6

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 137
midwest - USA
Oh boy, the Comp cam 21-221-4 just arrived this a.m.! Now I've got heat applied to my rear end. Will have to figure this out fast. This Xtreme Energy cam is 212/218@.050(256/268)duration .447/.455 lift 110 lobe opposed to old Purpleshaft roadrunner cam with 208/221@.050(268/284)duration .450/.458 lift 115 lobe. Since the lift is similar, just wondering if the "clatter" with the Comp is still possible to occur? And has Comp addressed the China lifter issue? O.K. men, if I send this Comp cam back to Wall-mart, what brand of cam and lifters are the most "fail-safe" for a pretty much stock build with longevity in mind?

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: 69/70 Plymies] #1662483
08/23/14 06:03 PM
08/23/14 06:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,760
Windsor, ON, Canada
D
Diplomat360 Offline
top fuel
Diplomat360  Offline
top fuel
D

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,760
Windsor, ON, Canada
Quote:

... O.K. men, if I send this Comp cam back to Wall-mart, what brand of cam and lifters are the most "fail-safe" for a pretty much stock build with longevity in mind?




I have a Hughes Engine HE3844AL cam...when I bought it I am pretty sure it was Engle that was grinding the cams. Given how over many years I barely started the motor (sometimes only once or twice a season as the car was being moved around) the cam is still fine. It was only last season and this year that I managed to put some decent KMs on this, about 2k in total, just replaced my intake manifold and pulled the lifter valley off...the lobes looked good, lifters are fine...no issues to report...this is over a 5 yr timeframe...so at least this one's a 'thumbs up' story. This particular car is fairly aggresive for street though (238/244 @0.050")...so not what you're looking for...my feedback is merely regarding the wear and tear experience.

Previously I ran a Crower #31243 (282-HDP COMPU-PRO, 228/238 @ 0.050"), great cam, lasted forever (heck, still have it in a box, barely any wear)...wish Crower could custom grind me a hydrualic roller without me having to take out a 2nd mortgage...LOL!

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: 69/70 Plymies] #1662484
08/23/14 06:04 PM
08/23/14 06:04 PM
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,973
SoCal
J
jake4cars Offline
top fuel
jake4cars  Offline
top fuel
J

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,973
SoCal
To each his own but I prefer the smaller cam companies like Bullit, I think the service is more personalized and haven't had a major problem since.

Joey

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: 69/70 Plymies] #1662485
08/23/14 06:07 PM
08/23/14 06:07 PM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 259
Khemi, Stygia
Mebsuta Offline
enthusiast
Mebsuta  Offline
enthusiast

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 259
Khemi, Stygia
Quote:

what brand of cam and lifters are the most "fail-safe" for a pretty much stock build with longevity in mind?




The fail-safe one is original 383 HP cam.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dcc-4452783ae

Here is the Sealed Power version.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-cs-661

I installed mine in a parking lot 25 years ago and it has done exactly what it's supposed to do ever since.


68 Roadrunner. 383 4-spd. Beat up.
Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: 69/70 Plymies] #1662486
08/23/14 06:37 PM
08/23/14 06:37 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 21,442
It's a dry heat
gtx6970 Online content
Too Many Posts
gtx6970  Online Content
Too Many Posts

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 21,442
It's a dry heat
Quote:

Are COMP cams junk?




I sure hope not. I just fired this one up monday and did the cam breakin,,,,,,so far so good

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: gtx6970] #1662487
08/23/14 07:42 PM
08/23/14 07:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,395
Pa
Hot 340 Offline
master
Hot 340  Offline
master

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,395
Pa
I talked with a few of comps "phone techs" that were suggesting profiles for me. What a bunch of clueless kids they were when it came to asking questions on agressive and non agressive profiles. Good luck with your comp cam. Walmart is right.

Re: Are COMP cams junk? [Re: Hot 340] #1662488
08/23/14 09:12 PM
08/23/14 09:12 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 18,493
Granite Bay CA
Kern Dog Offline
Striving for excellence
Kern Dog  Offline
Striving for excellence

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 18,493
Granite Bay CA
I agree that the Comp telephone dudes are not the sharpest guys to ask about cams. you'd expect or at least hope to get good advice from their "tech" guys but the 2 different guys I spoke with didn't seem to know much more than I do about cams.
Some of the big names in engine building say that they themselves tell the cam company rep what lobe profiles that they want. The pro builders know what works because they see the engines run. The guys at a call center can only rely on what they are told.

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1