budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/16/14 05:18 PM
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Looking for some cheaper roller rockers. I bought some procomp stainless rollers andthey rattle and sounds like poop . Any experience with outhers under 500$? These are not on my racecar just my streeter.
67 Barracuda, 470" B, Glide, FuelTech FT600, Precision, Ptc, QA1, Calvert, Smith racecraft, Afco, Dana 60. 275 radials
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/17/14 04:40 PM
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Crane gold's are a good rocker for under 500. I would stay away from the cheapies that "look" like harland sharps. If a rocker lets go, those needle bearings will wreak havoc on an engine.
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/17/14 08:25 PM
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Early on, we sold most of the value priced rockers on the market including Cat, Proform, Procomp and a few others, and we agree, the quality left a lot to be desired. We wanted to offer something better, but without breaking the bank. In 2006, we got together with an established manufacturer, and went over every detail of the extrusions, materials, heat treating, etc. Towards the end of 2007, we released our 200-1045 (1.5 ratio) and 200-1046 (1.6 ratio) rocker arms and we've had great luck with them. As you can see in the attached picture, (which is a screenshot directly from our order management system,) we've sold 1599 sets of the 1.5 version, and in the 6.5 years they've been on the market, 15 of them have been returned. Of those 15, probably half were from people who had gone a different direction with their build, switched out 1.5's for 1.6's, etc, not necessarily people who had any problems. The failure rate is incredibly low on these, as a percentage of how many we've sold. So, if you are looking for a very nice full roller set at a great price, give these a look. We've had great luck with them and they are one of our most popular parts. .. Click here for pictures and descriptions of our rockers: http://store.440source.com/Aluminum-Roller-Rockers_shafts-15-Ratio-New/productinfo/200-1045/
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/17/14 10:46 PM
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Early on, we sold most of the value priced rockers on the market including Cat, Proform, Procomp and a few others, and we agree, the quality left a lot to be desired. We wanted to offer something better, but without breaking the bank.
In 2006, we got together with an established manufacturer, and went over every detail of the extrusions, materials, heat treating, etc. Towards the end of 2007, we released our 200-1045 (1.5 ratio) and 200-1046 (1.6 ratio) rocker arms and we've had great luck with them.
As you can see in the attached picture, (which is a screenshot directly from our order management system,) we've sold 1599 sets of the 1.5 version, and in the 6.5 years they've been on the market, 15 of them have been returned. Of those 15, probably half were from people who had gone a different direction with their build, switched out 1.5's for 1.6's, etc, not necessarily people who had any problems. The failure rate is incredibly low on these, as a percentage of how many we've sold.
So, if you are looking for a very nice full roller set at a great price, give these a look. We've had great luck with them and they are one of our most popular parts.
.. Click here for pictures and descriptions of our rockers:
http://store.440source.com/Aluminum-Roller-Rockers_shafts-15-Ratio-New/productinfo/200-1045/
This question has to be asked......
Your store policy states returns are only allowed on brand new Un-Used parts....so is your ratio of sales to returns relevant concerning the quality or failure rate ?
I am sure most wanna believe these are good safe rockers to use....unfortunately every post about them gets muddied up by people that say they "heard" bad things...or guys that refuse to believe any rockers that cost less than $500 are any good....but rarely from people that have actually used them.
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/18/14 04:35 PM
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This question has to be asked......
Your store policy states returns are only allowed on brand new Un-Used parts....so is your ratio of sales to returns relevant concerning the quality or failure rate ?
I am sure most wanna believe these are good safe rockers to use....unfortunately every post about them gets muddied up by people that say they "heard" bad things...or guys that refuse to believe any rockers that cost less than $500 are any good....but rarely from people that have actually used them.
That's a good question. There might be some confusion going on between returns and warranties.
For a part to be returned, it needs to be in new, resalable condition. This is no different than Summit Racing or many other companies which specify exactly the same thing.
Warranty is a different issue. Our warranty is consistent with Comp Cams, Edelbrock, and almost every other company in the performance industry, which is basically that parts used in high performance/racing applications are not covered under failure during use.
That being said, we do try to honestly evaluate each situation individually. If there was an obvious premature failure of any part we sell that was brought to our attention within a reasonable amount of time, we will cover it.
After reading over the way our warranty was worded from your point of view, we did agree that it was unclear and made it sound like once you use a part, any part, it was no longer covered under warranty, period. This is not, and has never been the case. So we do thank you for bringing this to our attention, and we have re-written the wording of our warranty policy to make this more specific and precise:
http://store.440source.com/faq.asp
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/18/14 04:56 PM
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In the land of rockers,lifters and valve springs,you get what you pay for.Cheap is cheap
We thought it might be helpful to point out the specific facts and numbers related to our experiences with these rockers, which have been very positive. Of course everyone is entitled to reach their own conclusions.
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/18/14 05:19 PM
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Have ~20k miles on the Crane Golds on my 493. Pretty mild cam solid flat tappet. I'd go with them again (do they still make them?)
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/18/14 11:55 PM
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I looked at your rockers on your web site and they look pretty nice. 600lbs open pressure seems fine, especially since you don't have to find out the hard way you have too much spring pressure for the rocker. One question I have about the shafts is are they cleaned out before the end caps are put on if they are assembled by you. The reason I ask, is that when my son and I assembled his present engine we took the caps off the rocker shafts and they were really dirty inside. Not your product of course. Thanks for coming on the site and showing what you have to offer.
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/19/14 01:14 AM
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Well, only one person that has actually used the 440source rockers, and had no trouble.....
so 440source= 100% success rate so far
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/19/14 07:05 PM
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Got 440 source rockers, about 3 years now ...no Problem ..512 stroker,flat tappet 530 lift..in this sled..w/4 spd
About how many passes and or street miles in these 3 years.
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/21/14 10:35 AM
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I'd feel more comfortable using a set of Crane or Isky ductile iron rockers before using some cheap roller rockers with low-quality bearings and adjusters. I had a set of cheapies trash a bearing and lock the oil pump on my buddies 440. You get what you pay for.
WINNER ... I was just going to post this when I saw this thread again. don't forget the roller wheel axle being too hard and breaking allowing the rocker body to pop the valve locks loose and the valve dropping into the cylinder ... but hey at least the company selling the budget rockers will replace the faulty rocker for you ...
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/21/14 12:19 PM
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I'd feel more comfortable using a set of Crane or Isky ductile iron rockers before using some cheap roller rockers with low-quality bearings and adjusters. I had a set of cheapies trash a bearing and lock the oil pump on my buddies 440. You get what you pay for.
WINNER ... I was just going to post this when I saw this thread again. don't forget the roller wheel axle being too hard and breaking allowing the rocker body to pop the valve locks loose and the valve dropping into the cylinder ... but hey at least the company selling the budget rockers will replace the faulty rocker for you ...
Which of your engines did this happen on ? I never knew you actually had an engine that ran in the 15 years you've been here...
Got any pics ? Did you return it for a refund/replacement ?
I am surprised you bought 440source parts to begin with...
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/21/14 12:31 PM
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I'd feel more comfortable using a set of Crane or Isky ductile iron rockers before using some cheap roller rockers with low-quality bearings and adjusters. I had a set of cheapies trash a bearing and lock the oil pump on my buddies 440. You get what you pay for.
WINNER ... I was just going to post this when I saw this thread again. don't forget the roller wheel axle being too hard and breaking allowing the rocker body to pop the valve locks loose and the valve dropping into the cylinder ... but hey at least the company selling the budget rockers will replace the faulty rocker for you ...
Which of your engines did this happen on ? I never knew you actually had an engine that ran in the 15 years you've been here...
Got any pics ? Did you return it for a refund/replacement ?
I am surprised you bought 440source parts to begin with...
Interesting.
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/21/14 03:20 PM
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WINNER ... I was just going to post this when I saw this thread again. don't forget the roller wheel axle being too hard and breaking allowing the rocker body to pop the valve locks loose and the valve dropping into the cylinder ... but hey at least the company selling the budget rockers will replace the faulty rocker for you ...
As we said earlier, we just thought it might be helpful to post our experiences, and let everyone form their own opinion based on actual facts and numbers.
Looking at the numbers, we've sold roughly 1600 sets over 6.5 years. With about 250 business days in a year, that's about 1 set per day, every business day of every year, for 6.5 years straight. And that doesn't even include other ratios and other offset versions which we sell, it's just this one specific part number.
Is it likely that if these were having the failure rate which is being suggested here, that those types of sales would continue for 6.5 years?
If peoples engines were being destroyed on a regular basis, don't you think we would see droves of angry people coming onto this and other forums telling of their actual experiences?
Or is it more likely that there are a few internet bullies out there who have a political axe to grind?
People who have never made a single purchase from us in their entire lives, never actually used our parts in their builds or likely even seen them with their own eyes in real life.
Yet they instantly jump on every thread with even the smallest mention of our name, with the obvious intention of fearmongering.
We've been a premium advertiser on Moparts for many years, over which time we've paid many thousands of dollars to help support this site and help pay for the costs which allow this community to continue to flourish.
If someone actually purchases a part, and shares their specific experience, whether good or bad, we are all for that. That's what really makes this place a great community where everyone can genuinely help each other out.
But to allow this political fearmongering to continue for as many years as they have, it really does a disservice to both the community here and the advertisers which support this site and make its continued existence possible.
As we've said, take a look at the numbers and the facts, and make your own judgement calls.
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/21/14 03:29 PM
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WINNER ... I was just going to post this when I saw this thread again. don't forget the roller wheel axle being too hard and breaking allowing the rocker body to pop the valve locks loose and the valve dropping into the cylinder ... but hey at least the company selling the budget rockers will replace the faulty rocker for you ...
Which of your engines did this happen on ? I never knew you actually had an engine that ran in the 15 years you've been here...
Got any pics ? Did you return it for a refund/replacement ?
I am surprised you bought 440source parts to begin with...
With all the valuable and highly accurate info this one brings to the board I find it IMPOSSIBLE that he has not had a running engine in the last 15 years! Im shocked by the use of 440 source parts too, with all the derogatory comments about cheap parts I figured he was strictly a Jesel or T&D user...
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/21/14 03:59 PM
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WINNER ... I was just going to post this when I saw this thread again. don't forget the roller wheel axle being too hard and breaking allowing the rocker body to pop the valve locks loose and the valve dropping into the cylinder ... but hey at least the company selling the budget rockers will replace the faulty rocker for you ...
As we said earlier, we just thought it might be helpful to post our experiences, and let everyone form their own opinion based on actual facts and numbers.
Looking at the numbers, we've sold roughly 1600 sets over 6.5 years. With about 250 business days in a year, that's about 1 set per day, every business day of every year, for 6.5 years straight. And that doesn't even include other ratios and other offset versions which we sell, it's just this one specific part number.
Is it likely that if these were having the failure rate which is being suggested here, that those types of sales would continue for 6.5 years?
If peoples engines were being destroyed on a regular basis, don't you think we would see droves of angry people coming onto this and other forums telling of their actual experiences?
Or is it more likely that there are a few internet bullies out there who have a political axe to grind?
People who have never made a single purchase from us in their entire lives, never actually used our parts in their builds or likely even seen them with their own eyes in real life.
Yet they instantly jump on every thread with even the smallest mention of our name, with the obvious intention of fearmongering.
We've been a premium advertiser on Moparts for many years, over which time we've paid many thousands of dollars to help support this site and help pay for the costs which allow this community to continue to flourish.
If someone actually purchases a part, and shares their specific experience, whether good or bad, we are all for that. That's what really makes this place a great community where everyone can genuinely help each other out.
But to allow this political fearmongering to continue for as many years as they have, it really does a disservice to both the community here and the advertisers which support this site and make its continued existence possible.
As we've said, take a look at the numbers and the facts, and make your own judgement calls.
I'll probably get banned ... again ... for this
I am not allowed to post links to other forums because 440source cried to the board owner about me doing that, or I would post up my favorite.
What failure rate is being SUGGESTED?
Nothing is bulletproof, even the hi dollar stuff fails, we see it every weekend in Top fuel dragster and Funny car.
I don't even trust Crane Golds in some apps. , I bought a set to run on a mild sold roller and changed my mind and sold them for something a little stronger.
The reason I posted up what I did , reluctantly , was that not everyone NEEDS roller rockers , adjustable iron rockers will work fine for most, that was my comment and I just expanded on the person I quoted ...
Would I have not gotten dogged if I let out the part about the brittle axles and the exchange ??? If so sorry I brought it up.
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Re: budget roller rockers b/rb
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07/21/14 05:16 PM
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WINNER ... I was just going to post this when I saw this thread again. don't forget the roller wheel axle being too hard and breaking allowing the rocker body to pop the valve locks loose and the valve dropping into the cylinder ... but hey at least the company selling the budget rockers will replace the faulty rocker for you ...
As we said earlier, we just thought it might be helpful to post our experiences, and let everyone form their own opinion based on actual facts and numbers.
Looking at the numbers, we've sold roughly 1600 sets over 6.5 years. With about 250 business days in a year, that's about 1 set per day, every business day of every year, for 6.5 years straight. And that doesn't even include other ratios and other offset versions which we sell, it's just this one specific part number.
Is it likely that if these were having the failure rate which is being suggested here, that those types of sales would continue for 6.5 years?
If peoples engines were being destroyed on a regular basis, don't you think we would see droves of angry people coming onto this and other forums telling of their actual experiences?
Or is it more likely that there are a few internet bullies out there who have a political axe to grind?
People who have never made a single purchase from us in their entire lives, never actually used our parts in their builds or likely even seen them with their own eyes in real life.
Yet they instantly jump on every thread with even the smallest mention of our name, with the obvious intention of fearmongering.
We've been a premium advertiser on Moparts for many years, over which time we've paid many thousands of dollars to help support this site and help pay for the costs which allow this community to continue to flourish.
If someone actually purchases a part, and shares their specific experience, whether good or bad, we are all for that. That's what really makes this place a great community where everyone can genuinely help each other out.
But to allow this political fearmongering to continue for as many years as they have, it really does a disservice to both the community here and the advertisers which support this site and make its continued existence possible.
As we've said, take a look at the numbers and the facts, and make your own judgement calls.
And for that I thank 440source. With them coming into the scene I was able to buy and build a 500 CI engine and run 8.60's@155mph in my Daytona years before I would have been able to afford doing so with other products. That assembly made 275 HARD passes till on a freshen job I discovered a cracked block. I have since sold the Crank, rods, and pistons and it is still being beat on to this day. I have a new 512 assembly from you guys and it will eventually be in my Duster after I am done playing with these small-blocks. Are Brandon and Natile still involved with the company? They both seemed like they would go out of their way to make a customer happy.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
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