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talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
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07/14/14 03:46 AM
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sandwich IL
sublimehemi
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well its tough decision on these...my 70 charger is finally getting hotchkis full tvs...qa1 k and qa1 lowers...with borgason box along with my very light weight all alum 528 hemi efi pushing 680hp mildy...i live by route 66 so i want to run on the speedway and click some 10s on the dragstrip...then drive to cruise night...any help....price is close on these...ty
70 charger ,all aluminum 528 hemi 727 cope rmvb,680hp 670 tq,full sequential holley hp efi,full hotchkis tvs,qa1 k and lowers,borgeson steering box cass viper 11.75 with cass s-trac dana 3.54
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: sublimehemi]
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07/14/14 05:54 AM
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So Cal
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well its tough decision on these...my 70 charger is finally getting hotchkis full tvs...qa1 k and qa1 lowers...with borgason box along with my very light weight all alum 528 hemi efi pushing 680hp mildy...i live by route 66 so i want to run on the speedway and click some 10s on the dragstrip...then drive to cruise night...any help....price is close on these...ty
They let street cars on the 1.5 mi tri oval speedway? Or is there a road course there that not listed on wikipedia?
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: Trojmn]
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07/14/14 01:05 PM
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Mopar Mitch
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Steve/Autoxcuda and Trjmn -- The Joilet Autobahn, as has been written about many time on our chat-lines, is a 3.5 mile road course. The track is located less than 4 miles SW of the other Joilet race tracks (banked NASCAR oval, small oval and drag strip). In fact, the Autobahn is a private "country club" only about 15 years new. The track hosts many club events (Hooked-On-Driving, MCSCC, SCCA, NASA, BMWs, Corvettes, Ford events, motorcycles, etc... all done with track rentals for the day and/or wknds, as well as throughout the week Mon-Fri).
Actually, the track is divided into a North 1.5 mile road course, and a South 2.0 mile road course. AVG lap MPH each track ~70.. some cars faster ~80... the straights allow ~100-130 max pending your car's abilities, but then there are typical 60-90 degree turns at the end of each straight... demnanding reduced speeds.
The Chgo Region SCCA Solo season holds most of their ~8 events at the drag strip parking lot... large area, but not really desirable for a monster car with huge horsepower, etc, as the courses are all pylons.. sometimes toght courses, but the lot's size allows some free-flow courses.... AVG MPH ~45-50... max MPH ~60-70 rarely attained.
The Joilet Autobahn is a very clean, well-maintained and overall nice place to go racing.. or to just observe.. and even to take a few laps around pending the event. They also have a separate medium-speed go-kart track, and a designated pylon autocross lot (small and too tight for most big cars).... overnight camping, clean bathrooms/showers, outdoor cafe. Car rentals/driving lessons, etc, are also available.... arrive and drive.
Wknd of Oct 4-5 I'll be competing in the final HSAX (Saturday, 4th), then on Sunday, 5th, I'll probably be the Pace Car for W2W races all day.... COME TO THE JOLIET AUTOBAHN if you can!
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: kotacars]
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07/14/14 01:51 PM
07/14/14 01:51 PM
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Santa Fe Springs, CA
Dan@Hotchkis
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Do you have coilover a for a early a body ? And a non adjustable rear shock for a lowered early a body?
We have coil overs in prototype right now on a couple of cars, but no conversions are planned for Mopars at this time. The packaging on Mopars and any perceived or gimmick advertisements for the current coil overs just aren't there in an apples to apples comparison to our kit. That said, for your early A our shocks SHOULD work, since we only have lowered applications in mind, but I would call us with your measurements and make sure your spring rates are compatible with our tuning. If our shocks don't fit, we can make a set that will.
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: sublimehemi]
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07/14/14 04:14 PM
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Ontario,Canada
brads70
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well its tough decision on these...my 70 charger is finally getting hotchkis full tvs...qa1 k and qa1 lowers...with borgason box along with my very light weight all alum 528 hemi efi pushing 680hp mildy...i live by route 66 so i want to run on the speedway and click some 10s on the dragstrip...then drive to cruise night...any help....price is close on these...ty
You might want to assemble the pitman arm on that Borgeson box before you install it? There have been issues with quality control on the welding on of the mounting plate too. I have difficulty with a one shock fits all scenario as our cars weight different, with various different suspension parts and weights of engines, driveline components etc... drivers weight too!(lol) For that reason I went with QA1 double adjustable, been great so far. I can dial in for a comfortable ride for the street or aggressive for the track.
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: brads70]
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07/14/14 07:33 PM
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Woodinville, WA
Viol8r
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well its tough decision on these...my 70 charger is finally getting hotchkis full tvs...qa1 k and qa1 lowers...with borgason box along with my very light weight all alum 528 hemi efi pushing 680hp mildy...i live by route 66 so i want to run on the speedway and click some 10s on the dragstrip...then drive to cruise night...any help....price is close on these...ty
You might want to assemble the pitman arm on that Borgeson box before you install it? There have been issues with quality control on the welding on of the mounting plate too. I have difficulty with a one shock fits all scenario as our cars weight different, with various different suspension parts and weights of engines, driveline components etc... drivers weight too!(lol) For that reason I went with QA1 double adjustable, been great so far. I can dial in for a comfortable ride for the street or aggressive for the track.
I agree with the QA1 statements. We have run our QA1's at several events now with success. You can run them very aggressive, a bit more aggressive then the single adjustable versions of the Fox shocks. The QA1's are a Twin tube shock so they are going to have a different feel then the monotube Fox design. For what we do, the difference was only slightly noticeable from my seat. I recommend either, but I if you can afford the Fox shocks....they are the stuff.
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: Viol8r]
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07/15/14 12:39 AM
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sandwich IL
sublimehemi
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thank you dan for my new fox single adjustable shocks and torsion package...and thanks to everyone for their input on the subject...im sure i will have loads of fun with them  my borgeson box gave me no troubles what so ever...many threads showing... i have the small spline box and i used pro forged stock ratio pitman and moog stock idler along with firm feel roller bearing...center link is all perfectly level as well....no troubles at all...box also went on new qa1 k with no troubles as well and is not cocked either lets see how well my steering shaft mates up to assembly...hopefully i will not have to shim...will post pics soon...
70 charger ,all aluminum 528 hemi 727 cope rmvb,680hp 670 tq,full sequential holley hp efi,full hotchkis tvs,qa1 k and lowers,borgeson steering box cass viper 11.75 with cass s-trac dana 3.54
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: sublimehemi]
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07/15/14 12:43 AM
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Ontario,Canada
brads70
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thank you dan for my new fox single adjustable shocks and torsion package...and thanks to everyone for their input on the subject...im sure i will have loads of fun with them
my borgeson box gave me no troubles what so ever...many threads showing... i have the small spline box and i used pro forged stock ratio pitman and moog stock idler along with firm feel roller bearing...center link is all perfectly level as well....no troubles at all...box also went on new qa1 k with no troubles as well and is not cocked either lets see how well my steering shaft mates up to assembly...hopefully i will not have to shim...will post pics soon...
Nice!  I'm sure you will enjoy the improvements!
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: brads70]
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07/15/14 01:12 AM
07/15/14 01:12 AM
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Nebraska
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I found that the non-adjustable Fox/Hotchkis shocks were a huge improvement over the Bilstein RCD's on my BB 1.06" tb Dart. I could see where an adjustable rebound version would be the cats anus with bigger bars in the 300lb/in realm.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: 72Swinger]
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07/15/14 01:53 AM
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I found that the non-adjustable Fox/Hotchkis shocks were a huge improvement over the Bilstein RCD's on my BB 1.06" tb Dart. I could see where an adjustable rebound version would be the cats anus with bigger bars in the 300lb/in realm.
I have RCD's with 1.12" bars. I wonder if they are keeping up. On the right wavy surface at the right speed they can wollow a bit. I'd have to run something else to compare to.
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: Viol8r]
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07/15/14 03:12 AM
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RylisPro
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I recommend either, but I if you can afford the Fox shocks....they are the stuff.
I priced the double QA1's at about $1000 a set and the single Fox shock at about $800 a set when I bought them
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: sublimehemi]
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07/15/14 11:15 AM
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Santa Fe Springs, CA
Dan@Hotchkis
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thank you dan for my new fox single adjustable shocks and torsion package...and thanks to everyone for their input on the subject...im sure i will have loads of fun with them
my borgeson box gave me no troubles what so ever...many threads showing... i have the small spline box and i used pro forged stock ratio pitman and moog stock idler along with firm feel roller bearing...center link is all perfectly level as well....no troubles at all...box also went on new qa1 k with no troubles as well and is not cocked either lets see how well my steering shaft mates up to assembly...hopefully i will not have to shim...will post pics soon...
Not a problem. Thanks to everyone else who is enjoying our shocks! We've put a lot of work into them and love to hear people are getting a kick out of them.
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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07/19/14 01:36 AM
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Central IL
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Dan would you/could you share a shock dyno graph of the hotchkis adjustable shocks?
Last edited by Trojmn; 07/19/14 02:11 AM.
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
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07/19/14 07:07 AM
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BigBlockMopar
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If possible I would like to see a comparison between a popular KYB gas-shock and an adjustable shock in various conditions. I'm personally still on the fence on 'just' buying (adjustable) shocks for my ride because I'm afraid it might not give the results I would like, being my car is 100% street driven, although 'enthusiastic'. 'Maybe' what I really want in my old car is an active variable suspension; Stiffer shocks at higher speeds and a more comfy setting at lower speeds. And have a 'good' setting when dealing with speedbumps and rough roads for instance. I have a feeling this is something only a computerized system could provide (with matching pricetag)... Or, maybe I'm just being picky... 
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Re: talk shocks new fox single adj, qa1 double, viking dbl
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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07/19/14 01:11 PM
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Santa Fe Springs, CA
Dan@Hotchkis
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Dan would you/could you share a shock dyno graph of the hotchkis adjustable shocks?
Sorry, we've spent too much time and money on development to openly share that information.
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If possible I would like to see a comparison between a popular KYB gas-shock and an adjustable shock in various conditions.
I'm personally still on the fence on 'just' buying (adjustable) shocks for my ride because I'm afraid it might not give the results I would like, being my car is 100% street driven, although 'enthusiastic'.
'Maybe' what I really want in my old car is an active variable suspension;
Stiffer shocks at higher speeds and a more comfy setting at lower speeds. And have a 'good' setting when dealing with speedbumps and rough roads for instance.
I have a feeling this is something only a computerized system could provide (with matching pricetag)... Or, maybe I'm just being picky...
Our shock tuning video is a great demonstration in the difference between an off the shelf shock, the RCD/Bilstien and The Fox/Hotchkis. The amount of car control is unbelievable as you progress through the shocks.
While not as much variable control as say... a magnetic shock or the new electronic adjustable shocks that are starting to appear on the market, with our specific chassis tuning and the digressive disc technology, the shock is very forgiving at low speeds and then ramps up progressively the harder you drive on them. This shock is something to feel, as it drives and cruises nice (my wife has them in her 62) but allows to go straight to the track for a proper thrashing.
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