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Valve locks #1645800
07/12/14 10:31 PM
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Hi, I got a new set of valve springs and retainers (7 degree) and I was wondering if I need to buy new valve locks too or I can use the old stock ones...
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Re: Valve locks [Re: golden_commando] #1645801
07/12/14 11:17 PM
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If your old ones are 7 deg yes you can reuse em & I'm assuming they are. However there are cheap ones and good ones, depends on your app if you need the real good ones. lock failure is rare & regular ones will work fine for almost any situation if you ain't racing "for the money"


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Re: Valve locks [Re: RapidRobert] #1645802
07/13/14 01:44 AM
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It was reccommended to me to get 10deg locks for performance- I know nothing about it I never did more than put them together depending on how many grooves in the valvestem. Must hold on mo bettah.

-sorry not really an answer- please somebody chime in with wisdom

Re: Valve locks [Re: radar] #1645803
07/13/14 01:47 AM
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Ok stole this from a buick site via google- makes a lotta sense:

I see a lot of people running 10 degree retainers in hydraulic or flat tappet applications. This can lead to failure in applications where spring pressure is not high enough to really "lock" the keepers in place properly.

If you are running, say 125-140# of seat pressure, the 10 degree lock will almost always show signs of polishing and chatter. This is because the side load is not strong enough to lock it tight and it's moving around. A 7 degree lock has more locking pressure because it takes the same available lateral load, and turns it into more side load though a lesser angle and more leverage.

Look at it like a door stop. If you give a 7 degree stop the same kick with your boot as a 14 deree stop, the 7 degree will be wedged under the door twice as hard.

If the Crane Super 7 lock is available for your application, you get the benefit of a wider lock, but better clamping force than a 10 degree. It is a great "in-between" lock/retainer set-up for high pressure solid cams that may chatter 10 degree parts.

With springs that have seat pressures in excess of 200#, a 10 degree becomes the preferred choice. When the open pressures are over 550#'s, lock pull through becomes a serious reality and you need to spread the load over a wider angle.

The biggest thing is to look at what you have and identify any problems before they happen. If your 10 degree stuff is chattering and fretted...problems may loom on the horizon.

The reason I bring this up, is that I see cam manufacturers recommending 10 degree hardware, in their books, for even mild hydraulic cams and it just does not work well.

Re: Valve locks [Re: radar] #1645804
07/13/14 01:56 AM
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Radar, good stuff


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Re: Valve locks [Re: RapidRobert] #1645805
07/13/14 03:13 AM
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Re: Valve locks [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1645806
07/13/14 01:00 PM
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