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70 440-6 Engine Detail #1641675
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There was a Roger Gibson article out there somewhere with detailed pictures, does anyone have it?? Thank you!!

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: Stewpar] #1641676
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Hmmm; maybe somewhere in my "stuff", if nobody chimes in, I'll see if I can find it. I do have a few survivor pics if there is anything specific you are looking for.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: DPelletier] #1641677
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maybe these will help

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Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: Mr D21] #1641679
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Thanks Bryon, but I have those already. It was a 4-5 page article in a magazine, can't remember which one. Lot's of detail in the pictures provided..........

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: Stewpar] #1641680
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Thanks Bryon, but I have those already. It was a 4-5 page article in a magazine, can't remember which one. Lot's of detail in the pictures provided..........




It was Muscle Car Review. Here are the 2 issues you need.

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Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: steve70] #1641681
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2nd one. I think it's November and December 2013.

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Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: Stewpar] #1641682
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There was a Roger Gibson article out there somewhere with detailed pictures, does anyone have it?? Thank you!!




Is there something specific or are you looking for all details?


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Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: Stewpar] #1641683
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Anything specific?......

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Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: DAYCLONA] #1641684
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Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: DAYCLONA] #1641685
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Anything specific?......




Yep...

Orange, with 3 Holley's shor' looks good with some contrast...

(As in pic 1)...

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: RSNOMO] #1641686
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Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: 5carguy] #1641687
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i think that carbs were on before paint and masked off but there seems to be a lot of orange between the carbs on that plum crazy car.
what do others think?
this pic is of an original paint a12 car- i know it`s not 1970 but if anyone has seen the frank badalson video on the fc7 440-6 cuda he actually removes a piece of masking that was still there on the low mile original.
all the best
frank.

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: 1cuda] #1641688
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i think that carbs were on before paint and masked off but there seems to be a lot of orange between the carbs on that plum crazy car.
what do others think?
this pic is of an original paint a12 car- i know it`s not 1970 but if anyone has seen the frank badalson video on the fc7 440-6 cuda he actually removes a piece of masking that was still there on the low mile original.
all the best
frank.






I don't know if I'd "buy" the carbs on during paint deal, perhaps a "mask" for the gasket area where the carb's base mounted to?, I'm sure no 2 engines were painted identical by the engine shop, variations wil exsist, just like in individuals restorations, some my look to employ the haphazardness of a "factory finish", others what a factory look, but an eye towards "neatness", others want detail/rolling art....


Mike

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: DAYCLONA] #1641689
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There's one pretty obvious detail that is incorrect on all but one of the Six Pack carbs posted on this thread, can any of you spot it?

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: RealWing] #1641690
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There was a Roger Gibson article out there somewhere with detailed pictures, does anyone have it?? Thank you!!




Is there something specific or are you looking for all details?




It was the article as a whole, besides the verbiage, there were real detailed pics of a motor on a cradle. The spark plug shield, etc. etc. etc.

If someone has it and can post the entire 4-5 page article, it would be greatly appreciated!!!

Happy 4th!!

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: Stewpar] #1641691
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did they have the plastic limiter caps on back in the day?

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1641692
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Quote:

There's one pretty obvious detail that is incorrect on all but one of the Six Pack carbs posted on this thread, can any of you spot it?







It would be the negative cable position on top of, instead of under the throttle bracket in the above pic of Alan Galant's engine, actually the "barrelcuda" 71 Cuda

Or the missing limiter plastic cap for the idle mixture screw on the purple 70 B body....

or.....


or....

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: DAYCLONA] #1641693
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Nope, none of those are the detail I'm looking for

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1641694
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Do tell.That's my engine on the stand.Also the magazine and article for it is Musclecar Enthusiast Jan '09.

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1641695
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Nope, none of those are the detail I'm looking for







throat gaskets....

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: 44D6PAKCUDA] #1641696
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Ok,

But it's a tough/expensive one to correct 100%.

The throttle shafts should be a dark color, they were not the same gold color as the throttle arms, etc. The problem is that the shafts were coated before the gold plated throttle arms were added to them. Because of the way the factory attached them they are not removable for restoration/re=plating. The star burst looking area in the center of the arms are the ends of the shafts peened over to retain them and are not removable, these star burst areas were also dark colored.

So far as I am aware there are only two ways to go, make an effort to make the shafts dark after plating the entire shaft gold, or (the more expensive way) buying brand new bases with factory darkened shafts already installed.

When I restore them I plate the shafts gold first and dip the shafts dark to the arms. This can not work on the center carb in between the double throttle shaft arms, or the end star burst areas. In addition, these areas that can't be dipped can be hand colored with paint or ink markers for a faux dark finish, it looks closer than plain gold but is still short of what the new bases offer in terms of exacting correctness.


*Also, the example Cuda1 posted is a bit deceptive as it looks gold....It isn't, either the camera flash made it look lighter than it is, or it's just faded to a lighter shade with age, they were darker when new, not black, just a dark brownish color

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: RealWing] #1641697
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Try these:
440+6 Engine Detailing: 440+6 Detailing-Mopar Muscle Sep 1998 Vol 10, Num 9

440-6 Resto: Six-Pac Serenade-Mopar Action Feb 2010 Vol 17, Num 6

Six-Pack Engine Detailing: Restoration Investigation Pt 1-High Performance Mopar Sep 1999 Vol 13, No 5
Six-Pack Engine Detailing: Restoration Investigation Pt 2-High Performance Mopar Oct 1999 Vol 13, No 6
Six-Pack Engine Detailing: Restoration Investigation Pt 3-High Performance Mopar Nov 1999 Vol 13, No7

Hope these help.

Re: 70 440-6 Engine Detail [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1641698
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Quote:

Ok,

But it's a tough/expensive one to correct 100%.

The throttle shafts should be a dark color, they were not the same gold color as the throttle arms, etc. The problem is that the shafts were coated before the gold plated throttle arms were added to them. Because of the way the factory attached them they are not removable for restoration/re=plating. The star burst looking area in the center of the arms are the ends of the shafts peened over to retain them and are not removable, these star burst areas were also dark colored.

So far as I am aware there are only two ways to go, make an effort to make the shafts dark after plating the entire shaft gold, or (the more expensive way) buying brand new bases with factory darkened shafts already installed.

When I restore them I plate the shafts gold first and dip the shafts dark to the arms. This can not work on the center carb in between the double throttle shaft arms, or the end star burst areas. In addition, these areas that can't be dipped can be hand colored with paint or ink markers for a faux dark finish, it looks closer than plain gold but is still short of what the new bases offer in terms of exacting correctness.


*Also, the example Cuda1 posted is a bit deceptive as it looks gold....It isn't, either the camera flash made it look lighter than it is, or it's just faded to a lighter shade with age, they were darker when new, not black, just a dark brownish color




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