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Need an education on pushbutton shift transmissions #164061
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I'm putting a push button trans in a vehicle not ever equipped with one. I'm having trouble finding the shift cables and apparently I'm learning that Chrysler made several cable shifted cars. Some were pushbutton, some were column and floor shift. Some had park, some didn't? Some only had low and drive availble? Is a pushbutton trans the same as a cable shifted trans? Are the cables the same between them just different in there mounting? Did the coyote ever catch the roadrunner in the final episode?

Re: Need an education on pushbutton shift transmissions [Re: cantspel] #164062
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I can only speak of 62-65 era ones.
Cable shifted is the type of transmission.
Push button is up to 64 only.
In 65 it was still cable shifted, but was either column or console controled like what you normally would see today as a shifter.
Those are the 3 types of cables.
As you go back further than 63 I think, you get transmissions that had no park, just a drum on the back of the transmission. Litteraly like the brakes on a car, that held the car in place.

Even further back than 62, you start getting into the two speed transmissions, but I don't know much about those at all.

65 is the prefered year. Anything older does not have the slip yoke type drive shaft and you need to get the ball and trunion type drive shaft/cv joint type.

Imperial services makes all the cables.

And I think he did catch him at the end, but only breifly.

There is a guy that put one in an ebody. Dropped a 413 in it or something and kept the pushbutton trans. Mounted in the console as I recalled.
Been a while though.

Re: Need an education on pushbutton shift transmissions [Re: cantspel] #164063
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I'm putting a push button trans in a vehicle not ever equipped with one.


As mentioned call Imperial services & iirc 64 & 65 valve bodies interchange which would take care of a swap between those 2 years which is not what you're needing but FYI.


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Re: Need an education on pushbutton shift transmissions [Re: RapidRobert] #164064
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I do have the ball/trunion type, and I'm basically done going thru it. But I would definately be open to swapping the output shaft and tail housing from a 65. Is that all thats different? It would make the driveshaft situation better.

whats different between the 64 and 65 valvebodys? I that when they did away with the rear pump? Or did all the cable trans's have the rear pump? If thats the case, then it won't be so simple to swap to a slip yolk output shaft.

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what year do you have & what year you are contemplating swapping in. The 65 has the '65 & up modern slip yoke & is shifted by a cable from the end of the steering col if column shifted or a cable from a factory floor shifter & the 64 is shifted from the dash setup that has pushbutttons & the park lever & I am pretty sure these 2 valve bodies can be interchanged to handle a swap between those 2 years of trans. I need that info & had it save in an email but it was gone when I went in to find it a few minuutes ago.


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Re: Need an education on pushbutton shift transmissions [Re: cantspel] #164067
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What is the purpose of your swap ? ... just the PB shifter look and operation ?

Re: Need an education on pushbutton shift transmissions [Re: cantspel] #164068
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I always thought that was when they did away with the rear pump, but was corrected here a while back.
If you found a 65, it is just the tail housing as I understand it. So you could even look for a sb trans at that point.

Re: Need an education on pushbutton shift transmissions [Re: Andrewh] #164069
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I've used these in my racecar for some time. Any of the aluminum case ball & trunion can be swapped by using the 65 tailshaft housing and 65 output shaft. You can use small block or big block for the doner pieces. I remove the rear pump. I also replace the front pump and input shaft to use 67 & up converters. Do not use a lock-up converter pump or shaft. There are slight differences in the valve bodys. I have used Turbo Action valve bodys with good results. The cables all fit ,just the length differs. Speedo cable and gears differ also. Imperial services of Frankunmuth Mi. makes a conversion shifter to adapt a late style trans to push button as well. There is one more trans that did not have park. The tail housings of the 65 A-990 cars were a solid casting with no provision for park.
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Re: Need an education on pushbutton shift transmissions [Re: cantspel] #164070
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The cable shift valve body is different from the column/console; since both the PB and console were available in '64 the trans could be either way but the '65 was only column or console....no PB's.

The PB cable will work in either a PB or console VB but not vice versa. The difference is in the cable ends and the VB adapter the cable plugs into.

PB cable on right below has a narrow retainer slot, console has wider slot that will result in lost motion when used in a PB adapter.

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Don't wanna steal the thread but since its about PB's, I have a 60(?) 727 (cast iron case) minus the bell housing. Free to anyone that wants to pay shipping. Probably needs a rebuild. Hate to throw it away. PM me

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The trans is from a 62 or 63. I think I've accumulated all the parts to make it happen. I just have to break down and buy cables. I may look into buying a 65 core so I can switch to a slip yolk. I already bought a converter, so the input shaft/front drum are staying. So does the 65 have the rear pump? If you want to get away from the rear pump do you need a later valve body without lock up, and a set of gov tubes? What are the disadvantages of the rear pump on a street car? Mine looks really good. Thanks

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the 65 still has a rear pump. there is no reason to get rid of it. the only thing to remember is that the 62-65 trans with rear pump need a filter wit h2 holes in it and if you use a deep pan you need a filter adapter with 2 holes in it as well.

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The trans is from a 62 or 63. I think I've accumulated all the parts to make it happen. I just have to break down and buy cables. I may look into buying a 65 core so I can switch to a slip yolk. I already bought a converter, so the input shaft/front drum are staying. So does the 65 have the rear pump? If you want to get away from the rear pump do you need a later valve body without lock up, and a set of gov tubes? What are the disadvantages of the rear pump on a street car? Mine looks really good. Thanks




go through mancini racing instead of imperial services.getting him to ship anything is a chore. he'll stroke you and stroke you. go to mancini and avoid the hassles. just tell them what you need.
i gave up on imperial services years ago. he let me down over and over again. hes just a real disappointment.
just make sure you know what you need before you place the order with mancini.

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So does the 65 have the rear pump? If you want to get away from the rear pump do you need a later valve body without lock up, and a set of gov tubes? What are the disadvantages of the rear pump on a street car?




If the transmission is to remain fully automatic, the rear pump must be retained; it supplies line pressure for the governor.

The only circumstances under which the pump can be removed is if you're going to a full manual VB.


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A&A Transmissions has the correct filters and spacers for the early pb trans. also good with imformation.

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All the digging I did thru books and I get all my answers here in 24hrs. thanks to all who chimed in.
Just so I know for the future, if you change the input shaft, you do have to change the front drum and the matching reaction shaft right?
I get my trans parts from Dean Transmissions, and have been pleased so far. Mostly Transtar stuff. But I did notice that my filter bag had a taiwan sticker on it.

I also noticed that my attachment didn't load. I'm not sure why

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you got it ... keep the front pump, input shaft and drum from the same donor trans and you'll be fine ...

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Rear pump? You can actually push start them. I have a 65BB stashed.


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Rear pump? You can actually push start them. I have a 65BB stashed.




Hey RT ...I will pick up that 65 trans along with that 383 block if you don't need it !!

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