Cummins 6bt -76 Dodge Dart swap help !
#1630939
06/09/14 06:48 AM
06/09/14 06:48 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 1 Canada lethbridge
Jonathan
OP
member
|
OP
member
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 1
Canada lethbridge
|
I've been planning this swap for a long time now and I feel like a babe in the woods. I read a thread on this forum searching for some helpful build ideas etc but didn't turn out to be all that helpful and it seems not too many have tried to undertake such a task as putting a cummins into an old muscle car,and info is scarce . I recently purchased a donor truck with a 95 2wd 5.9 and I'm eager to start tearing the dart apart and prepare it for that heavy torquey motor. The hard part... So the question is... Where do I start?! I have tons of questions particularly about how to properly reinforce the frame etc to withstand that torque. Will I need to remove the body? What tools would I need and so on. Bottom line-I need any help I can get. Thanks for posting.
|
|
|
Re: Cummins 6bt -76 Dodge Dart swap help !
[Re: Jonathan]
#1630940
06/09/14 08:26 AM
06/09/14 08:26 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska
RapidRobert
Circle Track
|
Circle Track
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
|
Welcome aboard! A bodys (your 76 dart) have integral subframes which are welded to the body. So the body cannot be seperated from the 4 corner subframes like it could with a car line that had a body that is bolted to a full length frame. You'd want (2) front to rear subframe connectors (2" by 3" box steel) welded to the subframes to tie them together (RF to RR and LF to LR) to stiffen the chassis & a partial or full cage depending how far you want to go with that obvious non stock mod. On the eng I would measure the length/width/height, what pan is available, mtr mt location/type and fit, what trans fits, room for exhaust for a start. I know nothing about a Cummins so that'd be where I'd start which is to see if it looks like it would fit with a reasonable amount of effort
live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
|
|
|
Re: Cummins 6bt -76 Dodge Dart swap help !
[Re: zrxkawboy]
#1630945
06/09/14 12:15 PM
06/09/14 12:15 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 283 Massachussetts
RCKTMN
enthusiast
|
enthusiast
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 283
Massachussetts
|
I would also be concerned with tires. With that much weight on the front, you would need to have tires that could handle the stresses of the weight, steering, and braking that this swap would demand. You would likely need tires from a 3/4 or 1-ton pickup truck. I own a Magnum SRT8, and I had to be concerned with getting a tire that could handle the weight, as well as the speeds I can hit. So, I would definitely look into tire availability for this as part of your initial research. You don't want to spend all the effort to build it and end up with something you can't safely drive. I do like the idea of diesel cars, and would love to see something like this done. Best of luck! Paul
1970 Barracuda Convertible 1970 Newport Convertible 1970 Satellite Convertible 1974 'Cuda shell - '71 conversion 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass w/455 2003 RAM3500 CTD 2007 Caliber R/T AWD 2007 Magnum SRT-8 2016 Chrysler Town & Country
|
|
|
Re: Cummins 6bt -76 Dodge Dart swap help !
[Re: slantzilla]
#1630947
06/09/14 01:08 PM
06/09/14 01:08 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,079 Niles , Ohio
therocks
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
|
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,079
Niles , Ohio
|
My buddy that ran a junk yard had one of the Darts with a Nissan diesel.Even the fuel gauge said diesel.He scraped the body and I think he saved the motor.Rocky
Chrysler Firepower
|
|
|
Re: Cummins 6bt -76 Dodge Dart swap help !
[Re: therocks]
#1630948
06/09/14 01:10 PM
06/09/14 01:10 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,079 Niles , Ohio
therocks
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
|
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,079
Niles , Ohio
|
We had a goofy guy at work that thought he could just pull his 318 from his 1/2 ton truck and install a 318 Detroit.He thought because they were both the same size displacement it would fit.I just laughed.Rocky
Chrysler Firepower
|
|
|
Re: Cummins 6bt -76 Dodge Dart swap help !
[Re: Jonathan]
#1630952
06/10/14 01:55 PM
06/10/14 01:55 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 28,068 Irving, TX
feets
Senior Management
|
Senior Management
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 28,068
Irving, TX
|
The Dart is a poor choice for the reasons listed above. I'm not sure what your goals or intended purpose might be so I'll offer a couple suggestions. 1) Do a 4BT swap. It weighs about the same as a 440 and will be an easier fit. Expect to take several inches out of the oil pan to fit it under the hood. 2) Find an inexpensive C-body and stuff the Cummins in it. Again, you'll have to take a few inches out of the oil pan but it should fit. The cars from the early to mid 70s have tons of room under the hood, ride nicely, and are dirt cheap. I really like my Cummins and entertained the thought of a C-body swap not too long ago. That could make for a nice cruising powerhouse.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon
|
|
|
Re: Cummins 6bt -76 Dodge Dart swap help !
[Re: therocks]
#1630955
06/12/14 11:29 AM
06/12/14 11:29 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,028 NB, Canada
moparfan53
super stock
|
super stock
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,028
NB, Canada
|
Quote:
We had a goofy guy at work that thought he could just pull his 318 from his 1/2 ton truck and install a 318 Detroit.He thought because they were both the same size displacement it would fit.I just laughed.Rocky
Just an FYI. The "318 Detroit" is actually 568 CID. The 318 refers to the horsepower rating, not the displacement. It is a common practice in the heavy truck industry to refer to engines by the power rating, such as "425 Cat", "500 Cummins" etc.
|
|
|
|
|