Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Upgrade Lighting #1628195
06/03/14 07:31 PM
06/03/14 07:31 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 16,160
Mesa, Arizona
D
dart4forte Offline OP
I Live Here
dart4forte  Offline OP
I Live Here
D

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 16,160
Mesa, Arizona
Has anyone upgraded their headlights using relays? I'm thinking of upgrading my HLs to halogen and I know relays are the way to go. I was looking at the MAD kit. Anyone use this?

Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: dart4forte] #1628196
06/03/14 07:51 PM
06/03/14 07:51 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
Challenger 1 Offline
Too Many Posts
Challenger 1  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
Quote:

Has anyone upgraded their headlights using relays? I'm thinking of upgrading my HLs to halogen and I know relays are the way to go. I was looking at the MAD kit. Anyone use this?




Yes I did it a couple years ago, didn't use a kit. I just used what I had already. I used 3 2 for my headlites and one for my AC clutch. I did not upgrade my headlites, I think halogens have been in them for years?

I have already by passed my alt gauge and have a #10 wire running from the alt to the starter relay years earlier. Plus the big red wire burned up many years ago also going through the bulkhead connector and that has been replaced with solid wire going through the bulkhead. So I think I addressed all the weak links?


When I got done my headlites still dimmed at low idle! So then I replaced my stock alternator with 100 amp Powermaster and now I'm good at idle. My old alt was toast at idle, I'm pretty sure there was something wrong with it, even though it made good power after the RPMs went up.

Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: dart4forte] #1628197
06/03/14 08:02 PM
06/03/14 08:02 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
R
RapidRobert Offline
Circle Track
RapidRobert  Offline
Circle Track
R

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
OT I'm sure Halogens are brighter but are they more efficient? to where they draw the same or less current than the old syle sealed beams


live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: RapidRobert] #1628198
06/03/14 11:18 PM
06/03/14 11:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,080
Niles , Ohio
T
therocks Offline
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks  Offline
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
T

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,080
Niles , Ohio
Halogens draw less amps.The ones that take a H4 insert are even better.Ran them in my 57 and in the 65 and 62 along with my 58 Harley.Rocky


Chrysler Firepower
Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: therocks] #1628199
06/03/14 11:41 PM
06/03/14 11:41 PM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,956
WI
Dcuda69 Offline
master
Dcuda69  Offline
master

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,956
WI
I have Halogens in mine. I also did the relays but without a kit. Got a couple relays and some pigtail plugs for them from my NAPA buddy and spliced away. Been a number of years..works great. As stated the Chrysler alts still suck at idle but remember you're also taking the load off the switch and bulkhead. An inexpensive and worthwhile upgrade in my book..even with a stock style alt

Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: Dcuda69] #1628200
06/03/14 11:46 PM
06/03/14 11:46 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 12,291
Kent, Wa
340SHORTY Offline
Truck Nut
340SHORTY  Offline
Truck Nut

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 12,291
Kent, Wa
John, it helps to open your eyes.. lol


I am truckless..
Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: 340SHORTY] #1628201
06/04/14 01:02 AM
06/04/14 01:02 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 16,160
Mesa, Arizona
D
dart4forte Offline OP
I Live Here
dart4forte  Offline OP
I Live Here
D

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 16,160
Mesa, Arizona
Quote:

John, it helps to open your eyes.. lol




So that's the problem

Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: dart4forte] #1628202
06/04/14 02:01 AM
06/04/14 02:01 AM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 12,291
Kent, Wa
340SHORTY Offline
Truck Nut
340SHORTY  Offline
Truck Nut

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 12,291
Kent, Wa
Quote:

Quote:

John, it helps to open your eyes.. lol




So that's the problem




@ our age its a good part of it..


I am truckless..
Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: 340SHORTY] #1628203
06/04/14 02:38 AM
06/04/14 02:38 AM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 12,271
Overpriced Housing Central
RobX4406 Offline
I Live Here
RobX4406  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 12,271
Overpriced Housing Central
The mad kit is OK. My thought seeing as I build relay kits for headlight set ups, why put 16 or 18 ga wire in the system. Crimp connections add more resistance to the system. I run only 12 or 14 gauge wire for power supply to headlights, all home runs with no crimp or solder connections except for the fuses installed in the power supply side.

I'm not a big fan of pulling power from a junction point, especially on Chrysler cars. Straight off the alternator stud and fuse each circuit separately, high and low beam. Redundancy is a good thing here. If the fuse pops on low, you still have a high beam circuit to switch on and get stopped. Fusible links in a headlight set up? That's not easy to replace in the middle of the night!

What brand relays are being sold? I use/sell only tyco/bosch. Never any chinese relays.

For a little more money, 2 x 24 from mad, you can get a kit that has all the items you need along with new ceramic bulb sockets and tyco/bosch relays. Or have one built that is plug and play, no wire cutting using the existing headlight system to trigger the relay set up.

A good halogen headlight that is really inexpensive is the GE nighthawk 6024nh IIRC.

Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: dart4forte] #1628204
06/04/14 08:50 AM
06/04/14 08:50 AM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 518
Georgia
S
Steve Bryant Offline
mopar
Steve Bryant  Offline
mopar
S

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 518
Georgia
So I created a snazzy relay box for my Cuda and am now using relays for Lights, brights and road lamps but I have not upgrade the bulbs. Here is a drawing of my configuration. It is practically invisible and I have eliminated the warming of the harnesses under the dash and any headlight dimness at idle.

8165171-RelayBox.jpg (152 downloads)
Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: Steve Bryant] #1628205
06/04/14 08:55 AM
06/04/14 08:55 AM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 518
Georgia
S
Steve Bryant Offline
mopar
Steve Bryant  Offline
mopar
S

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 518
Georgia
Here is the box all closed up and mounted under the battery tray.

Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: dart4forte] #1628206
06/04/14 10:13 AM
06/04/14 10:13 AM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,430
St Charles MO
70Coronet500Vert Offline
master
70Coronet500Vert  Offline
master

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,430
St Charles MO
I always have to rebuild the front harnesses, so I build the relays right in. Don't know about the MAD kit


No matter how responsible he may seem, never give your gun to a monkey!
1970 Coronet Vert
1972 Charger
1974 Satellite Sebring Plus Sundance
2001 Ram 4x4
2002 Intrepid
2006 300C
Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: Steve Bryant] #1628207
06/04/14 12:15 PM
06/04/14 12:15 PM
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 656
Alberta
R
rustbuckett68 Offline
mopar
rustbuckett68  Offline
mopar
R

Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 656
Alberta
I did the relay thing in my GM, it needed it. Picked up another lighting harness, pinned it to a sheet of Styrofoam, replaced the 16 ga. with 12. ga and ran it all through a fuse box from a Shadow (?). Put a large plug on the front of the box (Lincoln power seat plug) and mounted on the inner fender. Rewired the fuse box the way I wanted. Picked up over 1.6 V to the lights (Hellas). Marvy.

8165297-DSCF0853.JPG (108 downloads)
Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: rustbuckett68] #1628208
06/04/14 12:38 PM
06/04/14 12:38 PM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 518
Georgia
S
Steve Bryant Offline
mopar
Steve Bryant  Offline
mopar
S

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 518
Georgia
Nice setup and probably cheaper than the one I built. I looked for a donor relay box but could not find one. That is definitely the way to go.

Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: Steve Bryant] #1628209
06/04/14 01:28 PM
06/04/14 01:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,907
Athens, Greece
Pyper70 Offline
master
Pyper70  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,907
Athens, Greece
I bought one of these kits for my car. Wires up directly to the battery. Headlight switch is just a trigger wire. Has inline fuses for the Hi and the Lo. I also run HID's with ballasts, running 35w(Lo) and 55w(Hi)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/H4-Headlight-Cer...752&vxp=mtr


Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s
Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: Steve Bryant] #1628210
06/04/14 01:41 PM
06/04/14 01:41 PM
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 656
Alberta
R
rustbuckett68 Offline
mopar
rustbuckett68  Offline
mopar
R

Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 656
Alberta
Stock. Look under the hood of the newer cars, all different types. Have to rewire where you want things to go, but not bad. Made a poker thingy to release the clips on the terminals from an old tape measure blade (or you can buy them semi cheap).

8165364-DSCF0855.JPG (129 downloads)
Last edited by rustbuckett68; 06/04/14 01:44 PM.
Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: rustbuckett68] #1628211
06/04/14 01:57 PM
06/04/14 01:57 PM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 4,748
Florida
BDW Offline
master
BDW  Offline
master

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 4,748
Florida
I went simple and mounted the relays directly and spliced (soldered) into the headlight wiring.
Simple, clean and only cost $10


Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: BDW] #1628212
06/05/14 11:13 AM
06/05/14 11:13 AM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,822
Colorado
D
denfireguy Offline
top fuel
denfireguy  Offline
top fuel
D

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,822
Colorado
Quote:

I went simple and mounted the relays directly and spliced (soldered) into the headlight wiring.
Simple, clean and only cost $10




That is the way to do it. Nice job.
And yes, halogens draw a lot less power than the old tungsten headlamps the cars came with. Relays lower the current draw through the tired headlight switches the cars cam with hopefully stretching their lifespan.
Craig


2014 Ram 1500 Laramie, 73 Cuda
Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango
Only previous Non-Mopar: Schwinn Tornado
Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: dart4forte] #1628213
06/05/14 01:17 PM
06/05/14 01:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,216
NO RUST IN AZ!!!
A
azmopar Offline
I Live Here
azmopar  Offline
I Live Here
A

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,216
NO RUST IN AZ!!!
John you can contact RobX4406 he builds a sells the kits too


70 Challenger Convertible 340 six pak CLONE?
70 Duster real FM3 car
65 Dart Charger FOR SALE

#NONIKESEVER


A Real man aint afraid to drive PINK!!!!

67 Plymouth Valiant PILOT CAR 273 Commando 4 spd

Re: Upgrade Lighting [Re: dart4forte] #1628214
06/06/14 01:20 PM
06/06/14 01:20 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 730
Nampa, ID
MadMatt Offline
super stock
MadMatt  Offline
super stock

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 730
Nampa, ID
I upgraded the headlights on my son's '69 Dart using relays and halogen lamps and I couldn't believe how much brighter and whiter they were! I'm definitely going to do the same upgrade on my own Dart. I have halogen lamps but running through the original harness and they are nowhere near as bright. So, I know it is the relays that made the difference. I attached a picture of the relay setup while it was on the bench being worked on. That nifty relay bracket it black anodized aluminum, and I got it for $9.95 with the hardware from:

http://www.tentalentsenterprises.com/relay-mounting-bracket-basic-bracket-p-35.html

Last edited by MadMatt; 06/06/14 01:21 PM.

Some see the glass as half empty, some see the glass as half full. I just drink straight out of the bottle.
Page 1 of 2 1 2






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1