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Re: 440 W2 (Stroker 360) combo thoughts? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1608726
05/22/14 01:37 PM
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I would keep the TQ cam and run a slightly higher rear gear, it would pull a 3.23 gear happily all day long and still be killer at the track. Definitely run the low geared 904 though as it will have a very broad TQ curve The big cam will also take away from the sleeper attitude of that car.


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Re: 440 W2 (Stroker 360) combo thoughts? [Re: HotRodDave] #1608727
05/22/14 03:01 PM
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Ok, I hear Y'all....but lets look at it this way. Compare this W2 440 build to a fairly common combo like a 440 RB at the same 10.5:1 but with a worse flowing stock 906 head and a 484 Purple shaft cam (which will have a choppier idle but far less .200-up duration (top end flow). Would that feel like a diesel with 3.55 gears? No, because I've (and several of you too) have had one and been really happy with it. If there's one thing I've learned is with a good flowing head (like a ported W2 or an LS) you don't really need a ton of cam in it and you'll still make great overall (which is what I'm hunting) power.

The Hydraulic Roller in my LS2 6.0 only has maybe 214 degress (which is a broomstick compared to this Bullet) at .050 in my trailblazer SS which weighs 4400 pounds....it pulls well over 6000 RPM. I want all the torque I can as early as I can, so long as it doesn't run out of steam too soon....the W2's will take care of that up to 6000-6200 which is all I really want for a drive to work type toy I can cruise around with family and friends with.

I invite you to go back and look at that 442" AMC motor we worked up for Nat's CJ-7; This combo is pretty much along that same recipie that made ~545/545, except this will have a solid roller (vs a 238/244 HR) and a bit better flowing heads.

Broad "big stick" torque at WOT equates to awesome part throttle drivability, especially in a light mild geared car. with the awesome short side W2's I could see this thing making close to 580 lb/ft at peak and holding near peak as broadly as that AMC motor did (at least 500 lb/ft from low 3000's to mid 5000's)

the 250/259 Solid will be roughly like a 240/248 hydraulic.....not "big" by race standards.... but not exactly small either.

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Re: 440 W2 (Stroker 360) combo thoughts? [Re: Streetwize] #1608728
05/22/14 03:40 PM
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How tall will the tire be and what weight is the ride

Re: 440 W2 (Stroker 360) combo thoughts? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1608729
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probably not much taller than 26.5"-27"... a 255/60 15 should fit without tubbing since the wagon has rounded wheelwells.

Don't reckon it would weigh more than 3400 with me in it (I'm 230)


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Re: 440 W2 (Stroker 360) combo thoughts? [Re: Streetwize] #1608730
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Quote:

probably not much taller than 26.5"-27"... a 255/60 15 should fit without tubbing since the wagon has rounded wheelwells.

Don't reckon it would weigh more than 3400 with me in it (I'm 230)




Ok, 3400 lbs and the 27" tire and what gear are you
figuring on
EDIT
Are you gonna run any OD and this is basically gonna
be a street car.. correct

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Re: 440 W2 (Stroker 360) combo thoughts? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1608731
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No OD, 1:1

Yes mostly street, occasional week-end drags like Mopars at the rock....if it DOES pull Like a diesel maybe I'll use it to tow the Rocky next year and I can let my wife drive it and I can Match race myself

There's a guy in Charlotte that has a 440 six pack with E heads and a 251/257 Hydraulic Comp that runs high 11s at ~114-ish in a 70 Charger with a stock 383 converter and 3.23 gears, hardly think this combo would be a diesel considering I'm the same cubes, as good (or better) heads a roller and 700 pound lighter.

I'm running a reground roller from my old Rocky 260/268 cam I pulled out last week, that cam would have been very streetable in a 440 SB despite the 107 LDA, it's now slightly smaller (mainly less overlap) at 251/259 on 109

Also note the heads should now flow ~300 or slightly better at .600 but W2's arent really much if any better than ported eddies below about .450, that's why I didn't go too small on the lift (.645)

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Re: 440 W2 (Stroker 360) combo thoughts? [Re: Streetwize] #1608732
05/22/14 11:10 PM
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I have a W2 headed 408 in my 69 Dart, when the motor was first put together a 240@.50 LSA 111 solid roller cam was installed the heads were ported, 9.8to1 compression and a victor intake.
The car weights over 3400lbs with me in it I am 155lbs 28 inch tire, 904 with a low first gear.
After 5000 miles a larger cam was installed, 254@ .050 LSA 112 and the compression bumped up to 10.4.
The car is more fun to drive on the street with the larger cam and faster at the track.
The motor runs just fine on 91 octane on the street or the track.
I think you will like the larger cam Bobby.
So far the solid roller lifters in my motor has about 9500 miles on them, this includes a round trip to Vegas, two Hot Rod Drag weeks, last year I put 4.56s for DW, many times driving to work and over 65 1/4 mile passes.

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Re: 440 W2 (Stroker 360) combo thoughts? [Re: Darryls-Demon] #1608733
05/22/14 11:21 PM
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Darryl,

Thanks buddy,

Yeah I think I'm right in the range I want to be. The Bullet roller is actually the Old Ultradyne .4033" (lobe) lift roller lobes which are very easy on the valvetrain and should give it really broad 'wall to wall' torque without it being too 'hair-triggered' at low speed.

With a stroker going IMO too small is easier to get wrong than going slightly too big.

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