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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires?
[Re: Crizila]
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 Sometimes ya just gotta wonder....  ...there are a whole lot of " assumptions" about peoples expertise, character and experience here, both good and bad, but at least some good has come from this in the end.Sometimes its all about reading between the lines. With any product, whether you like it or not, if it is an attempt, or a success at advancement, regardless of make, model or actual results, it often helps the whole market. There is one thing that will never change, we all will never agree.If it werent for someone saying " no thanks", " I dont agree" , that cant happen" , I dont like the product" and on and on down the line, nothing would ever advance. A dear friend of mine, who lets say, has been quite successful in drag racing, told me about 25 years ago, " Todd, you'll hear all kinds of things from all kinds of people in racing. The one thing you need to remember is, there are idealists, and there are realists.Without one, you wouldnt have the other, and, oh yea, the racetrack never lies".....carry on.... 
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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires?
[Re: CompWedgeEngines]
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04/22/14 10:02 PM
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Todd, excellent post. I agree. I don't think anything bad came out of this post. In fact, a lot of good, I think. As a new company, we are always relying on new changes. Those changes come from feedback, good and bad. Manufactures can only improve on things if there is quick feedback and honest, brutal, and sometimes maddening criticism. It's a fact. There is a lot of experience on Moparts. Together a lot is accomplished, singularly it is nearly impossible. Thanks for all of the posts. We will try to continue to improve.
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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires?
[Re: Crizila]
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04/22/14 10:58 PM
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http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/main.htm There is a lot of information there, good or bad I don't know.
I posted a while a question a while back about for opinions on Moroso Ultra 40s verses Firecore's. I hadn't made up my mind yet so I've been doing some reading.
I'd like to thank the OP one more time, as his original post has more technical content than the rest of the posts combined - including mine.  Too bad this thread has turned in to a pissing contest - to some degree.
Just because everyone does not agree, it's NOT a pizzing match..
There are good opinions on this post. I've seen nothing wrong here..
I respect Monte probably more than anyone on this board, but his opinion won't change my mind here..
That's what's great about our freedom of speech in this country..
We don't always have to agree..
You can get that in Russia if you like.. 
Chris.. 
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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires?
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04/22/14 11:42 PM
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There's a few good wire manufacturers out there and yes they probably are pretty close in performance but service after the sale is where Firecore50 is clearly the best. Say you were doing some work to your car and accidentally pinched a wire and it was damaged beyond repair.Could you call Moroso or MSD and have a new one in your hand in a few days? I really don't think they would send you a single wire like you could get from Rick  Gus 
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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires?
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04/23/14 01:21 AM
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I don't CARE if they are worth any power..........I care that they WORK and solve the RFI issues on the cars I tune, which they do.......others don't. End of that story.
Don't care to wear my motor out on the dyno swapping wires around looking for a few HP..........waste of time. I will find a few horsepower somewhere else. I just want the wires to DO THEIR JOB, the Firecores do
Monte
Been super busy and forgot about this thread...
OK, Monte......but, 99% of the people that start up a spark plug wire thread believe and are asking if there's any power gain in switching.......You and I know that there isn't.....but like motor oil, air filters and spark plugs, there's a LOT of VOODOO hype in the advertising industry....and that stuff rubs me the wrong way...........
ANYONE who frequents this forum has heard the "these wires are so good, you'll have to jet your motor up and it'll make more power" sales pitch.......I'm not naming names and I'm NOT knocking the wires......I'm NOT saying they're bad or they don't work as good as any other quality wire......For that reason, I won't buy them...(which I'm sure won't put much of dent in their sales).......
I'm sure you'll agree, Monte, that Dave Leahy at www.electrimotion.com knows his stuff.......I've known and worked with him since I was a kid....While I was at his shop a few years ago I quizzed him about wires (knowing what he was going to say)......His response, about the wires I'm talking about, was that he'd tested them and they weren't any better than any other wire......At the time, he used MSD wires and made his own boots and may still be doing that (I hadn't thought to even ask him about that the last time I talked to him)........Dave's a no BS kinda guy.......
You know I have HUGE respect for you, Monte..... and as you say, I'm sure they're good wires........
What do you want me to say Wayne??? Yes, I know Dave Leahey, yes he is an electronic genious........but personally, I don't give a damn what he said about the wires. ALL I KNOW, is that I put the wires in question on SEVERAL EFI cars that we were having RFI issues with. No other changes and the problems went away.....Like I said, what else you want me to say. I don't know how to make it any more clear. Are they the absolute best wire in the whole world.....hell, I don't know, DON"T CARE........all I know is they work well for me.
You don't want to even try them for whatever weird reason it is you have...FINE. I sure don't care and doubt Rich does either.
Some of these posts just F*&^ing amaze me
Monte
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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires?
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04/23/14 01:33 AM
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What do you want me to say Wayne??? Yes, I know Dave Leahey, yes he is an electronic genious........but personally, I don't give a damn what he said about the wires. ALL I KNOW, is that I put the wires in question on SEVERAL EFI cars that we were having RFI issues with. No other changes and the problems went away.....Like I said, what else you want me to say. I don't know how to make it any more clear. Are they the absolute best wire in the whole world.....hell, I don't know, DON"T CARE........all I know is they work well for me.
You don't want to even try them for whatever weird reason it is you have...FINE. I sure don't care and doubt Rich does either.
Some of these posts just F*&^ing amaze me
Monte
Wow...what an attitude... 
For 98% of the guys on this board, RFI is NOT an issue........so if that's your main selling point, then you're on the wrong board......... I do believe that the wires helped your customer's cars RFI issues.....so, what you COULD say is "If you think you have an RFI issue, odds are, these wire would help, but if you're wanting to buy them because you think they may be worth some power, you're looking in the wrong place..".......THAT's what I want you to say (since you asked).......
Rick sent the wires to Dave to get tested.....and Dave, the admitted "electronics genius" by you, actually DID test them and said they weren't any better than any other wire.....That's way better than Rick saying "these wires are so good you'll have to readjust your A/F because of a cleaner burn" and ALL he has to back that up is "We've got dozens of testimonials stating that fact. My gut tells me that they are not lieing.' He has done ABSOLUTELY ZERO testing to validify that but he keeps saying it over and over.......that's snake oil salesmanship........ If what he's saying were true, wouldn't you think he'd do SOME kind of testing??????? 
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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires?
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04/23/14 08:16 AM
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I made up my set of Ultra40's years ago and Matt bought a set of Firecores last year. We are both very happy with both sets of wires. I would probably try Firecores but my big issue is I have to get them from a dealer and pay tax, then you add in shipping costs and being an old school racer those added costs add up real quick. Where as I call Summit and pay no tax, no shipping, and they are on my door step the next day. Sooner or later the right circumstance will come by and I will probably try a set.
 the charges do add up  why don't Jegs/Summit carry these wires ?
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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires?
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04/23/14 10:48 AM
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the charges do add up why don't Jegs/Summit carry these wires ?
Take a look at Summits house wires - 8.5MM same Delphi wire - you just don't get the custom fit and service - but they are made from the same wire.
Personally I have used ULTRA 40's for years – but it was not until I switched to a digital ignition that I noticed and impact of RFI from the wires themselves - RFI is a much more complex discussion than ohm’s per foot – But in the end it comes down to personal knowledge and preference and what works best for your rig – the computer controlled fuel injection cars require a whole new set of rules – something companies like Delphi have extensively engineered and tested over the last 20 + years – hence the reason wires on new cars last almost the lifetime of the vehicle.
We have come a long way from the yellow jacket wires of the 60's
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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires?
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Just for everyone's info, I did pose this question to "Performance Distributors Inc" ( D.U.I. - their "live wires" ). " Can you give me the build specs on your ignition wires?" Reply: " The wire itself is 8MM spiral core and the resistance value is 300-350 ohms per foot. The spiral core is stainless steel wire wrapped around a magnetic core. Thank you." No mention of any R.F.I. protection and I have no idea who makes them for the company. Not an endorsement. Just passing along the info I got from them. Like many, no tech info on their web sight.
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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires?
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04/23/14 12:49 PM
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Since everybody is adding their 2 cents I'll add mine not that it matters
My FireCore wires are so good that I am stilling running the same set 3 years later even though I have a credit with Rick for another set. His pro mod boots are awesome.
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Re: ANyone tried these plug wires?
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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04/23/14 03:05 PM
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that's snake oil salesmanship....
C'mon Wayne....you're better than that. That comment was uncalled for ! 
I've personally seen what Rick has described regarding the leaning out on a buddies car with my LM1 installed. The idle AFR leaned out when we installed a set of the 8.5's and we had to adjust the main jetting as well. The plugs stay clean now and the car runs soo much better. Going off memory we went up 2 sizes on all 4 corners....it's been awhile, can't remember for sure ?
Does that make me a snake oil salesman as well ? Was I a snake oil salesman when i promoted your supertuning video on another website. I hope not because that link is still stickied and when members open up that subforum the link to your product is right at the top of page 1.
I bought your CD and reviewed it....then recommended it to the members because i felt it was an excellent learning tool and still is. I feel the same about the Firecore product and hundreds of members who've purchased them report excellent results. My own personal experience with Firecore made me a believer. My current set is 5yrs old and still going strong.
It's unfortunate that a few who have had some bad issues with split plug boots are quick to condemn the product as a whole. There are better boots available now than in the past and Rick is allways willing to update as needed. You can't beat the customer service and willingness to bend over backwards.
The high HP power adder guys on the bullet have been very pleased with their results using FireCore 50 wires. I think their "testimonials" count for something...don't you ? 
Personally, i don't have a problem with anyone voicing their opinion on a product but when insults are thrown around that's a little over the top for me. 
Ron
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