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Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: rickraw] #1599675
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Does anyone have a fuse on their alt wire to the battery?




Yes.. I have a 100 amp on it

Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1599676
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How many amp alt?

Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: rickraw] #1599677
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Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: rickraw] #1599678
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How many amp alt?




Its a 85A Denso

Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: plycuda] #1599679
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I have 150 and 300 amp


Where do uall purchase these fuses from?

Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: racerx] #1599680
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I have 150 and 300 amp


Where do uall purchase these fuses from?




I get them from a local electrical ware house near me..
its a larger fuse like the mini flat bladed ones in
the cars about 8 years ago... its just bigger with
its own holder

Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: racerx] #1599681
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I have 150 and 300 amp


Where do uall purchase these fuses from?




Good car audio shops have them.



"Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"
Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: Just-a-dart] #1599682
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I have 150 and 300 amp


Where do uall purchase these fuses from?




Good car audio shops have them.


Thax.

Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: Bigcube] #1599683
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I don't like running the alternator wire to the battery because that wire will be hot all the time. I set mine up with a relay. I use a continuous duty relay, similar to a Ford starter relay. See attachment.




X2 ran mine same way , they run the constant duty on golf carts a lot got mine of eBay cheap and easy. Dvw recommend this idea and works well.

Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: rbj] #1599684
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Rather than running the alt power wire all the way back to the kill switch, I found it easier to run the field wire through a relay. I just ran a small 12 ga wire back to the switch for power, when the switch is off, car dies. I thought that was better than running the higher voltage the length of the car.


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1969 Roadrunner (wife's)
Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: TruPerformance] #1599685
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You can fuse all you like, BUT, that line is still live until the fuse blows. Plenty can go wrong until that happens.

I do the CD relay and kill the line. Rather not have any live wires to the front when the master switch is thrown.

Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: plycuda] #1599686
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I have 150 and 300 amp




Sorry to be an electrical idiot.... but that's what I am, and I want to be certain of what I think I'm seeing: We're talking about a 300 amp fuse on the pos. cable, and a 150 amp fuse on the neg, correct? Then, following Mike & Jim's outlines, a 100 amp fuse on the alternator wire, along with running that wire through the continuous duty relay....

Am I straight on this?


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Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: StealthWedge67] #1599687
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Yes, you wire per the diagram AND use the fuse. I should put a fuse in mine.

My alternator is very close to the frame. I would forget to take the battery cables off and saw sparks when I was pulling the motor. I wired it in before I put it back together a few years ago. The Solenoid is the silver thing under the tail light behind the battery.I have it wired into the cut off switch.






Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: Bigcube] #1599688
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On mine I use a Ford type starter solenoid in the trunk since I ran my starter cable under my carpet I did not want it hot all the time so its only hot when cranking as I have it going thru the solenoid. The smaller red wire is my 12 volt feed which is the wire my cutout switch controls as it goes to the starter relay on the firewall where the car picks up it hot 12 volt feed to the fuse box , ign switch , headlite switch and so on. I have a 70 am fuse with eyelets on it on the red wire as its bolted to the battery cable end and then hooked to the wire. The black wire is my alt output. I like the idea of putting the field circuit on a relay that would kill the field when you turn the kill switch off and stop the charging system from working. That would work as long as the relay control turns the relay off when the cutout switch is turned off. Ron


Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: Bigcube] #1599689
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Did mine the same way. That way the power at the alt is off when the kill switch is off.

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Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: Todd] #1599690
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On a race car the way that s605 is wired is fine if you turn the master off.

Street car, if you leave the master on, the S605 will be a constant draw and drain the battery. It needs to be switched with something from a keyed source in the on position.

There's a minimum standard, then there are improvements.

Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: RobX4406] #1599691
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On a race car the way that s605 is wired is fine if you turn the master off.

Street car, if you leave the master on, the S605 will be a constant draw and drain the battery. It needs to be switched with something from a keyed source in the on position.

There's a minimum standard, then there are improvements.




Uhggg...... Why must there always be problems?! Are there relays available that would work like this, but not need to be switched? I generally break the master cutoff whenever I leave the car. But if I were to add this, I would want to do it correctly and not expose myself to potential dead battery issues. Wiring it all the way from the key switch seems like a hassle and lots of added wiring, which I don't want.

PS: sorry to hi-jack, but this is good info. and I think its relevent to the OP.


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Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: StealthWedge67] #1599692
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On a race car the way that s605 is wired is fine if you turn the master off.

Street car, if you leave the master on, the S605 will be a constant draw and drain the battery. It needs to be switched with something from a keyed source in the on position.

There's a minimum standard, then there are improvements.




Uhggg...... Why must there always be problems?! Are there relays available that would work like this, but not need to be switched? I generally break the master cutoff whenever I leave the car. But if I were to add this, I would want to do it correctly and not expose myself to potential dead battery issues. Wiring it all the way from the key switch seems like a hassle and lots of added wiring, which I don't want.

PS: sorry to hi-jack, but this is good info. and I think its relevent to the OP.




Find a wire that is hot when key is in run position and wire it to trigger the CD relay, pretty simple.

What's a 16ga wire weigh... not much and have it mirror route of the taillight wiring.

Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: RobX4406] #1599693
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On a race car the way that s605 is wired is fine if you turn the master off.

Street car, if you leave the master on, the S605 will be a constant draw and drain the battery. It needs to be switched with something from a keyed source in the on position.

There's a minimum standard, then there are improvements.




Uhggg...... Why must there always be problems?! Are there relays available that would work like this, but not need to be switched? I generally break the master cutoff whenever I leave the car. But if I were to add this, I would want to do it correctly and not expose myself to potential dead battery issues. Wiring it all the way from the key switch seems like a hassle and lots of added wiring, which I don't want.

PS: sorry to hi-jack, but this is good info. and I think its relevent to the OP.




Find a wire that is hot when key is in run position and wire it to trigger the CD relay, pretty simple.

What's a 16ga wire weigh... not much and have it mirror route of the taillight wiring.




Rob is right as it is simple just make sure you use key on powered wire as I would not use a hot all the time wire for much of anything so you dont have a draw. I leave my switch on most of the time on the street and have no drain at all. But I run my alt output back to the battery side of the master switch and only use a solenoid for my starter cable. I do turn it off if I park the car where I cant see it all the time. Ron

Re: Power Cut Off switch Question. [Re: StealthWedge67] #1599694
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I have 150 and 300 amp




Sorry to be an electrical idiot.... but that's what I am, and I want to be certain of what I think I'm seeing: We're talking about a 300 amp fuse on the pos. cable, and a 150 amp fuse on the neg, correct? Then, following Mike & Jim's outlines, a 100 amp fuse on the alternator wire, along with running that wire through the continuous duty relay....

Am I straight on this?





300 amp on the starter cable and 150 on the alternator cable. not the neg cable

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