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Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve #1596989
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Can anyone take a snapshot of their engine bay so I can see where the heater valve is supposed to for the heaterbox with A/C? There is supposedly one bracket on the heater valve assembly and another bracket that connects somewhere else...

Sill having a hard time finding an A/C cable to go from the heater dash control to the heater valve. doesn't seem like they are made anymore. Might have to fab something up myself which will be interesting


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Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: Pyper70] #1596990
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Repop and NOS cables are always on ebay...here's a repop for example.. LINK And what year valve would you like to see ???

Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: Pyper70] #1596991
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Please note that the heater control valve is different for cars that have A/C and those that do not. Also, the heater control valve on the 71 and 72 w/A/C are not cable activated. They are vacuum activated. The 73 and 74 valves are cable activated. This is true for the B-bodies and may be true of the other body types.
Note also that the heater control valve in a 71 and 72 A/C car that has a 440 tends to crack (its made of phenolic)and leak after a couple of years because of the heat from the exhaust manifold. That valve also has a replacement valve that is all metal and works much better and for a much longer time.
Hope that helps.

Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: attaboy] #1596992
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Please note that the heater control valve is different for cars that have A/C and those that do not. Also, the heater control valve on the 71 and 72 w/A/C are not cable activated. They are vacuum activated. The 73 and 74 valves are cable activated. This is true for the B-bodies and may be true of the other body types.
Note also that the heater control valve in a 71 and 72 A/C car that has a 440 tends to crack (its made of phenolic)and leak after a couple of years because of the heat from the exhaust manifold. That valve also has a replacement valve that is all metal and works much better and for a much longer time.






Good summary...The Ebodys used a cable operated bakelite valve{same as the 73-4 b body} for a few years but had the same cracking issues as the rest... The part was superseded to an all metal unit... Hopefully the original poster does'nt have multi-year parts for the hvac system...That's where I was going with more input...
Anyhoo, here's the early vacuum AC valve... LINK And the 73-74 b body cable opersted valve that happent to be upside down in the first pic...
Hope that helps. LINK 2

Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: Pyper70] #1596993
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72 B-bodies with air are cable actuated, at lease my Rallye is. Here is a old crappy pic of the mount location. My car is buried in storage so it will be awhile before I see it again. The cable should be routed over the inner fender braces and clipped to the cowl. I don't know if the valve is original or not but it has the proper brackets and is mounted correctly.

Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: T2R9] #1596994
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Proper cable routing, this one has the bakelite valve. Sorry no other pics of this car.

Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: T2R9] #1596995
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I don't know if you can see it well enough in this shot.

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OK...That would explain why I can't find info on the 72 valve...So did the 72s come with a bakelite valve{looks like one in the second pic} originally and then superseded to the all metal construction like other models??? Was there a mid-year change over for the valves from vacuum to cable ?? The listings for these parts create alot of confusion and years of mix-matched components on "restored" cars only add to the confusion...

Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: screamindriver] #1596997
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My 72 is a Oct built car and it has the cable style water valve. I just checked my 72 parts manual and it shows a bakelite style valve in the illustrations. My car being a 440 perhaps it was replaced because of heat like said above. Pyper, what year are you working on?

Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: Pyper70] #1596998
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I've attached two photos:
The metal/bakelite one is the one that came stock in all the B-bodies with A/C (I've got three of these little bastards because they always have to be replaced). The little nub on top is for the vacuum line from the car's interior slide switch. This is a variable vacuum feed and is used to control the temp by adjusting opening/closing of the water valve itself. It mounts to the passenger fender at the same location as shown in the second photo. The second photo shows the full metal valve (replacement that works much better and longer)mounted to the fender and plumbed in with the vac line on top and supply and return water hoses. Both valves mount in the exact same location and use existing threaded mounting holes (bracket style may vary). The cable activated valve is very similar to the vac valve but uses a cable from the car's interior slide switch to the top of the valve. These two styles do not interchange. You gotta know which one your car uses. If you look under the dash and see a bunch a 1/4" soft rubber tubing, then you probably will use the fat bakelite style or the better metal one as shown in the second photo.
The non A/C cable operated valve system is sooooooo much more simple to troubleshoot, replace, and fix. I spent days troubleshooting my vacuum system to get it right.

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Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: attaboy] #1597000
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its a 72 Satellite (Roadrunner Clone) It is cable actuated. I have the re-pop EverCo heater Valve. The cold/warm selector on the dash is a slide action cable setup



and then there is a funky gold iridium bracket for mounting it somewhere



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Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: Pyper70] #1597001
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I can't thank you all enough for the photos. The manual doesn't really give any help on that because it assumes that the part is already installed and you just have to trouble shoot it.

Can I ask why they would make one of the nipples smaller than the other three? Isn't that some sort of flow restriction?


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Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: Pyper70] #1597002
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712/72 and 73/74 should change the mounting òsition due the diff inner fender.

here is my 74 Heater valve with AC.

I got one of the new valves being sold ( posted by Pyper70 ) which I dissasembled and mounted on original bracket, because bracket attached is for even later models


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and then there is a funky gold iridium bracket for mounting it somewhere






I think that's for the backelite unit used on 73s, not the brass one used on 74s

I say that because once I sold around 3 NOS MOPAR backelite heater valves sent to USA from my location, and they got an assortment of brackets with them, I guess to match your application... one of those was one like that


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Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: Pyper70] #1597005
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I can't thank you all enough for the photos. The manual doesn't really give any help on that because it assumes that the part is already installed and you just have to trouble shoot it.

Can I ask why they would make one of the nipples smaller than the other three? Isn't that some sort of flow restriction?


It matches up to the nipples/hoses on the engine..One small one large and the two bigger on the other side goes to the heater core...

Re: Need Install Pic of a 71-74 B-Body Heater Valve [Re: screamindriver] #1597006
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thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat makes sense


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