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Re: Reproduction parts
[Re: Mr D21]
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03/22/14 07:12 PM
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so if you make the dies and duplicate an unsilenced air cleaner it would be legal to sell if you left the factory numbers or symbols off?
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Re: Reproduction parts
[Re: can.al]
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03/22/14 07:35 PM
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Layson's got sued for making the 69 Formula S tail panel emblem, among other things.
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Re: Reproduction parts
[Re: kentj340]
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03/22/14 09:40 PM
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Layson's got sued for making the 69 Formula S tail panel emblem, among other things.
Layson and his "agents" got arrested because their repro parts had current patented Chrysler trademarks on them, they had been ordered by Chrysler to refrain from using the trademarks, or enroll in the licensing program, they did neither, so the end result was a legal mess, amongst a public arrest and seizure at Carlisle
I've been making B and E body as well as wingcar repro parts for over 3 decades, my parts don't have any Chrysler logos/trademarks on them, so basically I'm free to do as I please, I've been asked by Chrysler's licensing Div if I wanted to join the "program", submit, be approved, and be able to use the Chrysler trademarks as I see fit, but the costs to do so would get passed onto you, the consumer, which then prices the parts even higher just for the sake of being annotated by Chrysler...no thanks
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Re: Reproduction parts
[Re: can.al]
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03/22/14 09:44 PM
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Hard to know, beause my original was in poor condition. I think the replica was just decent, not up to the quality of a new original. I was hoping to latch onto a better one, but these things are pretty much non obtainable now. Have never seen any for sale in the last 5 years. That's of course why Layson's made it in the first place. My impression is that the suit happened due to a much bigger number of replica parts, not just this one. There's quite a bit of talk on the www about it. You can google Mopar vs Layson's lawsuit or similar. Here's one hit showing a raid by the cops at Carlisle, July, 2008. http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=21470Layson's denied using any Chrysler trademarks, said anything they had wih a trademark was bought from licensed vendors, and there were no trademarks on Layson's repros. Just repeating what was said.
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Re: Reproduction parts
[Re: can.al]
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03/22/14 11:31 PM
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so if you make the dies and duplicate an unsilenced air cleaner it would be legal to sell if you left the factory numbers or symbols off?
Where did you find factory numbers on an un silenced air cleaner? Which one? The 70-71 340 unit?
One thing to consider is go ahead and get licensed with Mopar, they are MUCH easier to deal with these days.. They have a couple plans which relate to their percentage, one is less than the other. One major benefit to this is that they will limit the number of people/companies they will license for any one product which will help you eliminate all or most of your competition for the same part.
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Re: Reproduction parts
[Re: can.al]
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03/24/14 07:47 PM
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The "Formula S" may also be trademarked by Chrysler, not just the fact the emblem has the pentastar or P/N on it...You have to do your research on something before you make the part.
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Re: Reproduction parts
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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03/24/14 09:37 PM
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One thing to consider is go ahead and get licensed with Mopar, they are MUCH easier to deal with these days.. They have a couple plans which relate to their percentage, one is less than the other. One major benefit to this is that they will limit the number of people/companies they will license for any one product which will help you eliminate all or most of your competition for the same part.
1st I've heard of multiple plans ?
When I looked into it several years ago ,Mopar wanted $2500 right out of the box . Just to start the process ( aka get in line to be approved as a licensed manufacturer)
another $3 - $5k per part produced
Then 8% of RETAIL , not a wholesale price.
All with no guarentess said part would be approved asa licensable product once completed. So theroretically, a vender could be out 10's of thousands of dollars,, all for nothing if Ma Mopar didn't approve said item
And unless something has changed they don't give a rats potuee how many people they license a part to as long as each vender pays said royalties
as an example how many people are/were doing tail light bezels for a 1967 GTX ,,last I know of there were 4
I've been told by numerous sources over the years. GM and Ford will bend over backwards to help the cottage industry even in some cases provided factory OE blueprints of a part to get them going ,,,Trademarking Resources / Mopar just wanted the money
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Re: Reproduction parts
[Re: gtx6970]
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03/25/14 12:41 AM
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And unless something has changed they don't give a rats potuee how many people they license a part to as long as each vender pays said royalties
It's all about the $$$$$ Mopar doesn't care about the quality or accuracy of the part(s)....the repro cottage industry has grown into big $$$$ for MaMopar
The Mopar "Authentic Restoration Product" licensing/usage means nothing more than just a royalty check to Chrysler...the uninformed buyer is duped into believing that Chrysler's anointment, imparts "quality" in all shape and form in the product or vendor using it
Here's a perfect example below...
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Re: Reproduction parts
[Re: can.al]
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03/25/14 11:45 AM
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O.K. if a part is shaped a bit different,a little smaller or bigger or
has a slightly different color where would it fall in this regard?
It would be slightly different in color, and maybe a little smaller or bigger, and shaped a bit different...  seriously though I know the answer your looking for, and I can't give it to you, the ones that decide if your product infringes on a patent, trademark, design, intellectual property, etc, are the legal teams that issue said docs...and the laywers that protect a clients "mark/right"
Let me give you an example, when I trademarked by business name "Dayclona", the US patent attorneys (dummies) where going to refuse me based on their reasoning that it might infringe on the trademark "Daytona Beach", so I had to submit further documentation to show that my claim for a trademark had no bearing or reference to anything remotely connected to what "Daytona Beach" implied...the same goes for parts, ideas, names, logos, etc, etc, etc, like I posted earlier, if you don't infringe on another's currently active trademark, design, logo, Intellectual property, your good to go...now dealing with corporate lawyers and Gov't officials/agencies is another hurdle, as greed and stupidity abound
Mike
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Re: Reproduction parts
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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03/25/14 04:24 PM
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Layson and his "agents"
I've been called a lot of things in my day, most of them rhyme with Rick....some of them don't. 
But I've never been called an "agent"...employee maybe....but not agent.
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Re: Reproduction parts
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03/25/14 04:52 PM
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...now dealing with corporate lawyers and Gov't officials/agencies is another hurdle, as greed and stupidity abound
Mike
Sadly, this is so true. It doesn't just apply to the parts business either.
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Re: Reproduction parts
[Re: rick@laysons]
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03/25/14 05:10 PM
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Layson and his "agents"
I've been called a lot of things in my day, most of them rhyme with Rick....some of them don't.
But I've never been called an "agent"...employee maybe....but not agent.
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