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Re: Camshaft Installed Center Line question. [Re: GTX MATT] #1590995
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Look at any of Comp Cams 110 degree LSA cams, almost every one of them has a recommended intake centerline angle of 106 degrees, AKA 4 degrees advanced.




My comp roller is exactly as GTX said. Dot to Dot came in a 106. The advance is figured in already. So the OP's cam may come in at 104 when lined up.

Re: Camshaft Installed Center Line question. [Re: 80fbody] #1590996
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Look at any of Comp Cams 110 degree LSA cams, almost every one of them has a recommended intake centerline angle of 106 degrees, AKA 4 degrees advanced.




My comp roller is exactly as GTX said. Dot to Dot came in a 106. The advance is figured in already. So the OP's cam may come in at 104 when lined up.




I would say you got lucky.

Re: Camshaft Installed Center Line question. [Re: Dodgeguy101] #1590997
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The last cam I did I got a surprise. It was way off, and I had to retard it to get back to 103! Luckily, it was a pig of a 350 SBC that needed all the cylinder pressure it could get. So for my put it in straight up dot to dot, check it, then if it is a stock short block which tend to be low on compression, I would advance it to less than 108, maybe 104 as a starting point. If you think the cam is fairly modest for the surrounding parts, gears, etc, then try 108. For the most part, advanced won't hurt you as much as going retarded.


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Re: Camshaft Installed Center Line question. [Re: 80fbody] #1590998
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Look at any of Comp Cams 110 degree LSA cams, almost every one of them has a recommended intake centerline angle of 106 degrees, AKA 4 degrees advanced.




My comp roller is exactly as GTX said. Dot to Dot came in a 106. The advance is figured in already. So the OP's cam may come in at 104 when lined up.


"The advance is figured in already" - and that is where a lot of the confusion comes in on this subject. That is also why you should start with the cam card specs when installing a cam - unless you have a SOLID, FACTUAL reason to deviate from it. Doing it automatically on every cam you install for the reasons listed in this thread aint good enough - for me. Those that do that will never know if they made improvements or not. JMO. I still like almost everyone here

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Re: Camshaft Installed Center Line question. [Re: Crizila] #1590999
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Look at any of Comp Cams 110 degree LSA cams, almost every one of them has a recommended intake centerline angle of 106 degrees, AKA 4 degrees advanced.




My comp roller is exactly as GTX said. Dot to Dot came in a 106. The advance is figured in already. So the OP's cam may come in at 104 when lined up.


"The advance is figured in already" - and that is where a lot of the confusion comes in on this subject. That is also why you should start with the cam card specs when installing a cam - unless you have a SOLID, FACTUAL reason to deviate from it.




Exactly, you don't know if the advance is figured in accurately. You need to check it. The bottom line is if the recommended ICL is 106, you should start at 106.


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Re: Camshaft Installed Center Line question. [Re: GTX MATT] #1591000
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Look at any of Comp Cams 110 degree LSA cams, almost every one of them has a recommended intake centerline angle of 106 degrees, AKA 4 degrees advanced.




My comp roller is exactly as GTX said. Dot to Dot came in a 106. The advance is figured in already. So the OP's cam may come in at 104 when lined up.


"The advance is figured in already" - and that is where a lot of the confusion comes in on this subject. That is also why you should start with the cam card specs when installing a cam - unless you have a SOLID, FACTUAL reason to deviate from it.




Exactly, you don't know if the advance is figured in accurately. You need to check it. The bottom line is if the recommended ICL is 106, you should start at 106.




The reason I say advance it even farther is that any
SB street car needs all the low end torque you can
find and that is done by advancing it a bit more..
and I do understand that the ICL vs the LSA... the
108 is now the the zero point(it already has the 4*
built in.. if you were to use the dot to dot with
it at 0 it would come up to 108 not 112(if all the
stuff is made right)

Re: Camshaft Installed Center Line question. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1591001
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It's all simple math,using the split centerline method adjust cam timing to the MFGs designed specifications,then depending on your desired use or performance outcome you can adjust from there.This way you will be compensating for any and all variances in all the related componants used and the baseline starting point can be established and changes can be refrenced from that point.

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