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Re: Intake air temp sensor question
[Re: SLOW67]
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02/28/14 11:46 PM
02/28/14 11:46 PM
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Thanks Mr.P That's what I was thinking but I thought I may be thinking too much about it, I have a tendency to do that lol time to get a bung welded into the intercooler piping. Could I drill a hole in the intercooler on the downstream side and tap it to thread in there or would it be better closer to the throttle body. I'm trying to hide it or make it blend in so I don't have wires hanging from the piping inside the engine bay.
Closer to the throttle body would be better BUT you might only see a couple degrees different if you mount it in the down stream side of the cooler.. IMO that would be good enough
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Re: Intake air temp sensor question
[Re: SLOW67]
#1585709
03/01/14 02:03 AM
03/01/14 02:03 AM
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383man
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Most of the factory cars from Chrysler would have the air intake temp sensor in the inlet air tube hose to throttle body or in the housing so the incoming air would pass over it. But they are called Intake Air temp sensor which I always felt it meant the temp of the air as its going into the intake. Most factory systems also use the ambient air temp sensor for outside air temp also and they were usually in the grille or around that area and some used a battery temp sensor for the temp at the battery for voltage settings. But I agree that it should be somehwhere to read the temp of the air coming in the intake so the air going in the intake moves past it. I can tell you it can be very important and it gets overlooked alot. Years ago our Dodge dealer had a Lebaron 2.5 turbo car that kept pinging alot. The tech working on it tried everything and could not get it to stop pinging. He made sure the EGR worked and checked the timing curve over and over and made sure the eng temp was just right. But to make a long story short he called the Mopar tech line and talked to the one guy at the tech line who was really good. I remember well as he was British and a real nice guy who I became good friends with. But he told him to check the intake air temp sensor and if not sure to replace it. Bingo !! On the turbo model the eng controller (PCM) will give more timing advance on colder intake air temps but when the intake air gets warmer it will back the timing curve down. And this intake temp sensor kept telling the PCM the air was cold and it let the PCM give to much timing. Even though the eng temp sensor was working right as was the eng knock sensor with the intake temp sensor stuck in the cold mode it would still over ride the eng coolant temp curve. And boy you can hurt a boosted eng real easy with so much advance it pings all the time. Sorry to ramble on but that story came to mind when I read this post. Ron
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Re: Intake air temp sensor question
[Re: 383man]
#1585710
03/01/14 02:34 AM
03/01/14 02:34 AM
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I realize you're talking about boost here, but on the 3.9, 5.2, 5.9 Dakotas (and every vehicle with those engines) the IAT sensor is in the intake keg reading the air as it passes through one of the long curved runners. it taps into the intake manifold on the front side, just below the TB. I've relocated mine to the air filter to be sure that it does not heat soak and read incorrectly due to my aftermarket M1 intake. the provision for the IAT sensor was in a thick part of the casting and the portion of the sensor that was meant to read the air temp didn't stick out into the plenum at all.
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Re: Intake air temp sensor question
[Re: 70Cuda383]
#1585711
03/01/14 03:20 AM
03/01/14 03:20 AM
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383man
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I realize you're talking about boost here, but on the 3.9, 5.2, 5.9 Dakotas (and every vehicle with those engines) the IAT sensor is in the intake keg reading the air as it passes through one of the long curved runners. it taps into the intake manifold on the front side, just below the TB. I've relocated mine to the air filter to be sure that it does not heat soak and read incorrectly due to my aftermarket M1 intake. the provision for the IAT sensor was in a thick part of the casting and the portion of the sensor that was meant to read the air temp didn't stick out into the plenum at all.
Yes you are right about the 3.9 to 5.9 engines. I guess since he is boosted I only seemed to have boosted engines on my mind and most of the boosted engines I worked with at the Dodge dealer were the 4 cylinder ones. So my mind seemed to be stuck in boost mode. Heck I worked on the 3.9 to 5.9 engines every day for years but for some reason was not thinking about them. I would think anywhere it can read the air temp of the air coming into the intake or just after in the intake should work ok. Ron
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Re: Intake air temp sensor question
[Re: Cab_Burge]
#1585713
03/01/14 06:34 AM
03/01/14 06:34 AM
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On a intercooled EFI motor I would put it in the intake manifold so you see the actual air temps entering the intake ports Especially on a street and strip car where the intake will heat soak
I've done it this way too and thought I'd be ok. The builder of my new EFI system said to NOT mount the IAT sensor in the manifold, but right next to the TB inlet. I've seen many NHRA Stock and Super Stock cars with it done this way, so I guess I can't argue with him.
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