Warlock "econo" smog 440 build
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02/25/14 01:33 AM
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Ok, so.............. I kinda blew up my 400. Well, maybe just broke it real good. I might post that video later. Hears the deal, I have a 440 that I am going to build. I have started collecting parts, but I will not start it until I have the money to do it right. I also have a 78 motorhome 440 with 28,000 miles. It is as clean as a pin. This is my econo build.
My original plan was to get my heads for my big build and use the springs, retainers and lock for the smoger. I don't have the money for the heads yet. I was going to go with Lunati 268 voodoo. Now that my 400 is down, I am looking for advise.
Here is what I have.
Mystery cam: 465 lift (that's all I know) out of the 400. Edelbrock Performer 440 HV oil pump
Ok, that's about all I have for the smog motor.
Here are the rules: Bolt on only. I will not even pull the heads. I don't have to use what I have, but this is a buget. I do also have. A set of Crane 1.6 rockers and push rods for my other build that could be borrowed.
Looking for advise, what would you do?
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Re: Warlock "econo" smog 440 build
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02/25/14 03:42 AM
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Advance cam 4 degrees. Give it as much initial ignition timing as it will take and as quick an ignition advance curve as it will handle.
Sheldon
I've done that very same thing cheapest ump you can do for sure
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Re: Warlock "econo" smog 440 build
[Re: venom107]
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02/26/14 09:33 AM
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Just curious, what did you blow up on the engine? Sometimes as long as the block isn't damaged, its cheaper to quick fix what's in there.
If you swap a cam into the stock 440, please buy some matching springs at least. And don't go crazy on the cam size either.
Outcast Dodge guy.
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Re: Warlock "econo" smog 440 build
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02/26/14 12:04 PM
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The headers are at the following link. http://www.racinginnovationandsupply.com...ers-_p_211.htmlI had started with a set of full length truck headeders, but they hung down way to low. These are not the best, but they have a thick flange and are cheap. As for what broke........ That is still a mistery. It still runs and sounds fine, but is smoking bad out of one side at RPM. I happened to be taking a video when it happened. Turn up the volume and see if you can identify what broke. http://youtu.be/wgYbcNSqmo0I aquired this engine and had no info on it. I pulled it down just for inspection. Bearings were in great shape, has a steel 383 crank, block had been bored 30 with little to no ridge and had stock replacement pistons. I measured the cam lobes and came up with about a .465 lift. Other than that everything looked to be in good shape. It was running good, but was not what I was after. I was actually out in the garage debating on putting the engine up for sale 20 minutes before I took it out for this last drive.
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Re: Warlock "econo" smog 440 build
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02/26/14 01:20 PM
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I wager it broke a piston ring on one side and is oiling the exhaust pipe down on that side. last one I had smoke on side and still ran good..for a short time anyways..it was detonation eat away the piston to expose the top ring and sarted a melt down in theat cyl. didnt take but 2 more runs to kill the piston and leave the pin/rod in the hole banging around...staill ran and had oil pressure but made one heck of a noise. I will be swaping the 440 rpmintake off mine for a hollet street dome to run the q-jet with out the adaptor. PM me if intersted in it.
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Re: Warlock "econo" smog 440 build
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02/26/14 04:57 PM
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I am thinking ring also. I need to get it apart, just to see. If it was a ring or piston, I want to make sure there was no valve contact. I have no intention of doing anything further with the 400 unless it involved a larger crank, but there should be a world of good parts there. The truck currently has 8 3/4 3.55SG and is running a 2800 stall. The only converter I have for a cast crank is a factory high stall. Not real sure where that would come in. I may just go with my mystery cam. It ran and sounded good right up till the "PING". If I decide I want more, I could always put my 1.6 rockers on. This clip is after the burn out, but before I knew it was smoking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVyTXPVNuXII will probably use the performer (non RPM) that I have. That is unless I score a deal on something that I may use on a future build.
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Re: Warlock "econo" smog 440 build
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02/26/14 10:31 PM
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scratchin...what kind of (in town) MPG do you get out of that smogger 440? just curious...
with the 3.23 it would do fair around town on short trips.. I guess it about 12.5 last I checked it around town.
the 15mpg came on a 50 mph ride and stayed right at 1800-2000 rpm and no more. I thinking my 2.76 gear should get me another 2+ maybe? (math shows 55-60 mph turning 1800-2000 rpm with 2.76)
the 3.91sg gets a flat ten up hill/down hill/light throttle/heavy throttle and sure is fun around town... 100 mile ride not so much turning 1800-2000 rpm 40 mph though.
3.23 seems just about right for my truck but gives up some bottom end out the hole. I think the 2.76 gear would be great for a long trip on interstate travel, but no balls out the hole.
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Re: Warlock "econo" smog 440 build
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02/28/14 02:46 PM
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scratchnfotraction you said: if the whiplash 440 cam does what the whiplash roller cam did for my JY 318 in my 85 truck... look out Don't want to highjack thread but since you have run the whiplash cam in a sb how was it for street drivability and mileage ? converter ? thinking of getting a small whiplash or thumper for my 360 in my 77 shorty van and adding airgap and headers. Don't care about how it sounds just want something that works with the low comp. Thanks
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Re: Warlock "econo" smog 440 build
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02/28/14 04:43 PM
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Not to hijack this post, but how do you like those headders, and are there any issues with spark plug fitment, and or boot contact/melting
Wonder how they would fit in a 4x4 with the center dumps, and front axle location.
So far so good. I would rather have a full lenth header, but these work fine. I am running standard autolights, MSD street wires with 90 degree boots. No burnt boots. There was a unused boss dead center on the drivers side on my block, that had to be ground down or the collector hit it.
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