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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: Uhcoog1] #1577499
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It's got me a bit concerned. I'd like to avoid taking it apart (I keep repeating this in my head).

So I'm searching for other options for a pump until I hear from firm feel that my stage 4 box can handle it or not.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1577500
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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1577501
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I've been doing some information searching and I've decided that the GM Type 2 pump is what I need.

It's been around for ever and I can get it in the right pressure plus its cheap.

http://www.hotrodhotline.com/md/html/type_ii_ps.php

The jeep SRT8 pump has the built in reservoir but I'll be over $200 and still not have a way to run the pressure lower.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1577502
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GM type II, Saginaw TC and the newer Mopar stuff all seem to be the same pump to me just different reservoir. Look at a 99-04 Jeep WJ Grand Cherokee pump, same pump but slightly different reservoir angle. The LX guys are blowing up the stock pumps on SRT8's when they push them on road courses too. Their solution is a Viper pulley swap kit.

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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: 72Swinger] #1577503
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Is 1000psi to much? I bet PSC has the right pressure relief valve. They have this same pump in 1000 or 1300psi.
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/motorsport...erp-pulley.html
Also our friends at Borgeson have this
http://www.borgeson.com/xcart/catalog/GM_P_S_Pump_Pressure_Valve_Shim_Kit-p-1684.html
DSE has this
http://www.detroitspeed.com/Steering/091401-steering-pump-flow-control-valve.html

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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: 72Swinger] #1577504
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They sounded really reasonable and returned my call. They are able to rework a type 2 pump for a specific need.

They said the SRT style Toyota pumps are very high pressure and no able to be built to suit due to being variable pressure.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1577505
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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: 72Swinger] #1577506
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It'll never effect me.....but this info is amazing...the wealth of knowledge on this stuff is awesome.

Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: Moparmal] #1577507
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So, I let impulse get the best of me last night and I bought a set of wheels.

http://www.americanmuscle.com/charcoal-amr-18x9-0512.html?source=igodigital

AMR wheels by Amercian Muscle 18x9 square



Backspacing: 6.18" (157mm) Offset: +30mm (1.2")

$69 each x 4 with a $10 coupon and free shipping.

I know that I'll need spacers and they won't be direct bolt on, but I'm willing to make it work. 275/40 or 285/35 all around.

I can't resist cheap.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1577508
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Will you need spacers due to the offset or because of the center register?

A guy in my club put Moosthang wheels on his Dart. The offset was okay but he needed the center register corrected. It took longer to put the rotor in the lathe than it did to make the change.

I think he might have been using a bolt on spacer. I can't remember.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: feets] #1577509
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Both.

The center is too small of an OD to fit over my hub and I need to move the fronts out about 1/2" and the rears about 5/8".

I've grown to accept quality wheel adapters. After seeing 100 lb wheel and tire combos be held on just find by them in the 4x4 world and people flog their cars while having random oddball adapters made for the vw's...I can live with some small spacers or bolt on adapters for the time being.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1577510
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Quote:

After seeing 100 lb wheel and tire combos be held on just find by them in the 4x4 world





100lb wheels on spacers? Keep going.





Wheels will look great! Nice choice!


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #1577511
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The most exciting part of this is the tire choices in 18. The prices are higher but there is so much more to choose from.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1577512
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try lee power steering in Sun valley ca.. this guy knows his stuff about pressures and what makes what...

Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: 70blackfish] #1577513
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I think what was meant was spacers on 4x4 wheels at 100lbs holding on.
I hope someone out there can show us how to modify our existing ps pump to lower the pressure. Richard E where are you?? DIY please.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: EV2CUDA] #1577514
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these showed up last week. I'm pretty excited.





No updates as of right now. Working 60+ hours a week is beating me up and it's raining a lot over here recently. Updates as soon as conditions get better.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1577515
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Is it done yet?






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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1577516
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Putting aside the choices you made on wheels, EFI and suspension.....

It seems that the problems you encountered are pretty much the same as with an A body...

TTI mounts
Header clearance
Power steer pump compatability
and sourcing the sundry bolts and pulleys etc.

Have you measured your pinion angle....or did that improve with the mods to the engine mounts?


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: Moparmal] #1577517
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Quote:

Putting aside the choices you made on wheels, EFI and suspension.....

It seems that the problems you encountered are pretty much the same as with an A body...

TTI mounts
Header clearance
Power steer pump compatability
and sourcing the sundry bolts and pulleys etc.

Have you measured your pinion angle....or did that improve with the mods to the engine mounts?





TTI mounts were not an issue. My issue was with the $5 parts house engine insulator having a raised nub on it. If I would have taken if off with the grinder before hand, it wouldn't have been an issue. It literally took 5 mins of persuasion to have it sit in the chassis.


Header clearance would have been better if I didn't have ac and if my torsion bars were stock. I've got 1.22" bars and if they were .920" they would have cleared.

PS pump is just a fact. If I had a borgeson box or a lower psi pump it wouldn't be a problem.

I'd advocate Everyone to not start with s bare block like I did. Buy an 05/08 car 5.7 long block and steal everything from that.

I did this backwards from most, but I've still got less money than most in my build. Mostly from working with people in the industry for almost ten years and having a few friends who own shops. My heads are $3000+ but I've not got that much money in them.

I won't paint a small picture with a large brush. This swap is not difficult and I don't even have a garage. It's just as I can do it without breaking the bank.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1577518
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Pinion angle is a non issue. I'm going Dana 60 next year and I'll spend the Time setting it when I install my B body Dana.


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