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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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We cant even come up with the first Hemi Car ever built so the first sold to the Public would be just as hard to figure out. I believe Chrysler released the first 1964 Hemi Cars to the race people. Not sure if these Public cars would of been built for Nascar or NHRA. So in Darrels books is there any clue to give you an answer to what you have asked about what car was the first public car.
Scott you mentioned the 1971 year and what car was the last Hemi Car built, and no one knows that either. Then I started wondering what Hemi Car would of been the last one sold to the public and if it was done in 1971 or 1972 and was there any Hemi Cars left over at Dealers that would of sold years later. Is a car that was owned by the Dealer and sat for 25 year in the Dealers name then sold is that the last Hemi Car sold.
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Keep in mind, none of these claims are mine, I'm just asking the question based on seeing that article (and the 1971 thread).
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Wasn't there at least 1 72 Hemi? I know (or believe I know) that there were a couple 72 440-6 cars. There are still unsold Hemi cars sitting in dealer "inventory" out there, they technically would be sold as new cars.
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Everyone has a different opinion on just what the 64-65 Hemi motors would be called. Could you order a Nascar Hemi Motor in 64 and just what was the complete differences between a Nascar motor and a Race Hemi Motor.If there was only one motor you could order then it should only be called a hemi or its number designation. 1965 did Chrysler build any Nascar Hemis or was the build Drag strip oriented. Chrysler built 64 and 65 Hemi cars with exhaust, to meet the numbers of sanctioned bodies wanting so many built. So what I am saying if you build a car with exhaust and all other safety features for that year then it is a street car no matter what intake, compression, front end type, etc. went into or on the car. In 1968 there was a difference, with the Hemi A Bodies but the safety features on these cars would not pass the Government exams for the street and maybe Chrysler learnt a lesson from 1964-65 making them not legal for the street. Chrysler never offered a variety of Hemi motors to the public except in 1968 an only one Hemi Motor in the A body, like they did with the Max Wedge. Chrysler really only offered a complete package vehicle when ordering a Hemi Car.
Scott I have heard this story of the first 1964 Hemi built for public sale and it very well could be a real deal if you look at it their way.
This reminds me of the recent build we are doing on the Z28 Camaros. Hendricks has bought the first saleable Z28 Camaro but there have been a lot of other Z28s built at the Camaro plant before his. If these other Z28 Camaros make it to the public and they usually do if they are not crach vehicles, what distinction would one put on these other Z28s. I say this because did any of the first Nascar Hemi cars built make it to the public. Is not a free 1964 Hemi Car going to Landy or the Ramchargers or some Nascar Racer the first cars no matter if money was exchanged or not.
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Scott, Back in November I actually talked to Bub Faubel at Bruce Larson's Dragfest ,through the course of the conversation,that subject was actually mentioned and from what Bud had talked about and discussed,I would guess that the information is correct. Don Fezell is about 60 mi from me,he has one of the cars,not sure which one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRZCa615_4 
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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my mistake, found the pic I was thinking of...looks like a A990 -
No you are right as its a 64 car which I believed were coded A-864. In my 64 book from Darrell Davis they call the 64 Hemi the Super Comando eng. Ron
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Here's " SNORKASAURUS IV" minus "war paint"  as it appeared at Barrett-Jackson AZ '06. Originally WHITE/RED interior automatic car.
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Edited for the sake of accuracy.
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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i’m under the impression the first '64 hemi cars were 2drhtp's.
If you’re counting the ones sent to NASCAR then yes, otherwise, no.
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Hello Guys, Just wanted to add a few details provided to me by Tom Hoover, and Bud Faubel Himself about the 1964 Aluminum Nose Super Stock Dodge 330 2dr sdn. I have been friends with Don Fezell and have helped maintain his collection for over a dozen years. Traveling to numerous events over the years with this Hemi Honker and sitting a talking with Bud, and Mr. Hoover has been a pleasure. Bud Faubel was the owner and operator of Shivley Motors, a Dodge Dealership in Chambersburg PA. Mr. Faubel had been running Dodges in NHRA for a couple of years by 1964. Working in the past with Dodge Bud was able to secure the Aluminum Nosed Race Hemi 64 Dodge. This Dodge was the 2nd of the approx. 50 Factory Lightweights for the 64 NHRA season. As per both Mr. Hoover, and Bud Himself. The First Aluminum 426 Race Hemi off the line was a 4spd. car and this was the car campaigned by the Ram Charges (Hoover, stated the Ramchargers later switched to the push button, partly based on some of Faubels performances). The second was the push button 727 auto Aluminum nosed 426 race Hemi obtained by Faubel. Faubel traveled to the plant and picked the car up, and drove it back to his dealership in Chambersburg, PA. (On the Highway, Hard to believe today) Faubel stated that he went with the push button automatic and was given assistance from the Ramcharges acting as a semi test bed for the transmission. So to be specific, this is to be the second of the 50 lightweight Super Stockers. The 1st to the Ramchargers Team. The Second, to the First Public Buyer. This information was given to me by the men who were there, and I am just relaying what has to told to me by two Chrysler Legends. Thanks
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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What exterior and interior color was the Ramchargers original car? Does anyone know the History of ownership or the Ramchargers car and does it still exist today.
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Here's 6142236007 shipped Friday 6/12/64 to (Atlanta region) dealer #55795  one of 10 HEMI Dodges "shipped" that date (total HEMI Dodge 330s shipped by 6/12 = 53). It is one of 19 red/red interiored '64 HEMI Dodge 330s (4 were 4-speeds).
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Is this a red car?  per Chryslers documents that Darrell Davis had access to (total 55 '64 HEMI 330s): 24 were WW1 - "white" (3 with 4-speed) * 6 to Mr. Norm's & 4 (16-92804) **19 were PP1 - "red" (4 with 4-speed) * 5 to Mr. Norm's 7 were BB1 - "black" (1 with 4-speed) * 3 to Mr. Norm's 3 were MM1 - "gray" (1 with 4-speed) & 1 (16-92804) **1 was XX1 - "beige" 1 was two-tone WP2 - "red" w/"white" roof (19-19000) ** * 14 cars are shown "shipped" to Chicago region dealer #57147 Grand-Spaulding Dodge & ** 6 cars are shown as "company cars"
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Hello Guys, Just wanted to add a few details provided to me by Tom Hoover, and Bud Faubel Himself about the 1964 Aluminum Nose Super Stock Dodge 330 2dr sdn. I have been friends with Don Fezell and have helped maintain his collection for over a dozen years.
Can you share the VIN of the "HEMI HONKER"?
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Hello Guys, Just wanted to add a few details provided to me by Tom Hoover, and Bud Faubel Himself about the 1964 Aluminum Nose Super Stock Dodge 330 2dr sdn. I have been friends with Don Fezell and have helped maintain his collection for over a dozen years. Traveling to numerous events over the years with this Hemi Honker and sitting a talking with Bud, and Mr. Hoover has been a pleasure. Bud Faubel was the owner and operator of Shivley Motors, a Dodge Dealership in Chambersburg PA. Mr. Faubel had been running Dodges in NHRA for a couple of years by 1964. Working in the past with Dodge Bud was able to secure the Aluminum Nosed Race Hemi 64 Dodge. This Dodge was the 2nd of the approx. 50 Factory Lightweights for the 64 NHRA season. As per both Mr. Hoover, and Bud Himself. The First Aluminum 426 Race Hemi off the line was a 4spd. car and this was the car campaigned by the Ram Charges (Hoover, stated the Ramchargers later switched to the push button, partly based on some of Faubels performances). The second was the push button 727 auto Aluminum nosed 426 race Hemi obtained by Faubel. Faubel traveled to the plant and picked the car up, and drove it back to his dealership in Chambersburg, PA. (On the Highway, Hard to believe today) Faubel stated that he went with the push button automatic and was given assistance from the Ramcharges acting as a semi test bed for the transmission. So to be specific, this is to be the second of the 50 lightweight Super Stockers. The 1st to the Ramchargers Team. The Second, to the First Public Buyer. This information was given to me by the men who were there, and I am just relaying what has to told to me by two Chrysler Legends. Thanks
I think you might be confusing the Ramchargers 2% car with the production run of A-864 cars.
The first production Hemi sedan was red/red. It went to Grand Spaulding Dodge.
The second car was Faubel’s.
I am not aware of the Ramchargers ever running a red car.
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per DD's '64 Dodge book: Mr. Norm's Grand-Spaulding Dodge was "shipped" 5 RED '64 HEMI 330 sedans. 6142 222127 auto ship date 5/13 (with L1R full bench seat interior?) 6142 227606 auto ship date 6/4 6142 229092 auto ship date 6/10 6142 234853 4-spd ship date 6/11 6142 235396 4-spd ship date 6/12 Can anyone confirm the VIN of this specific car? Is it the FIRST car?
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per DD's '64 Dodge book: Mr. Norm's Grand-Spaulding Dodge was "shipped" 3 RED '64 HEMI auto 330 sedans. 6142 222127 auto ship date 5/13 (with L1R full bench seat interior?) 6142 227606 auto ship date 6/4 6142 229092 auto ship date 6/10 & which one is this? GSD '64 HEMI at auction next month I'm "assuming" this was originally an automatic car. 
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Is this a red car?
per Chryslers documents that Darrell Davis had access to (total 55 '64 HEMI 330s):
24 were WW1 - "white" (3 with 4-speed) * 6 to Mr. Norm's & 4 (16-92804) **
19 were PP1 - "red" (4 with 4-speed) * 5 to Mr. Norm's
7 were BB1 - "black" (1 with 4-speed) * 3 to Mr. Norm's
3 were MM1 - "gray" (1 with 4-speed) & 1 (16-92804) **
1 was XX1 - "beige"
1 was two-tone WP2 - "red" w/"white" roof (19-19000) **
* 14 cars are shown "shipped" to Chicago region dealer #57147 Grand-Spaulding Dodge
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** 6 cars are shown as "company cars"
Dan: Here's the photo/text of the car you question.
This article stated this 64 is the first "426 Wedge" aluminum panelled car off the line.
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Re: Is This Really The 1st 426 Hemi Car Sold To The Public?
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Is this a red car?
per Chryslers documents that Darrell Davis had access to (total 55 '64 HEMI 330s):
24 were WW1 - "white" (3 with 4-speed) * 6 to Mr. Norm's & 4 (16-92804) **
19 were PP1 - "red" (4 with 4-speed) * 5 to Mr. Norm's
7 were BB1 - "black" (1 with 4-speed) * 3 to Mr. Norm's
3 were MM1 - "gray" (1 with 4-speed) & 1 (16-92804) **
1 was XX1 - "beige"
1 was two-tone WP2 - "red" w/"white" roof (19-19000) **
* 14 cars are shown "shipped" to Chicago region dealer #57147 Grand-Spaulding Dodge
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** 6 cars are shown as "company cars"
Dan: Here's the photo/text of the car you question.
This article stated this 64 is the first “426 Wedge" aluminum panelled car off the line.
Clearly that caption is incorrect. Was Rob Wolfe an editor back then? 
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