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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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01/29/14 09:18 PM
01/29/14 09:18 PM
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Dodgeguy101
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I don't have anything under the dash. no nothing. I can open the glove box door and get to it. It would be mounted sideways, and while it wouldn't be as easy as the trunk it could be done in 5-10 minutes. Also how is it easier to turn off in the trunk? I have a lock and key. Heat? I only run in nice weather and that area gets warm as I don't have firewall insolation. How hot does it need to be? I see tons of bottles in the car, even on the floor. A lot of guys here don't even use a blanket or heater. It would be sideways but I think I can make it work. It won't be used all the time, maybe once or twice a race weekend. Maybe more if I want to run the 6.50 1/8 mile index or 10.50 1/4 index. I'm only going to run a 100-150 shot.
Next motor will be badder, just having fun w/ this one. As I understand it it's an oxidizer and not flammable. It will have a full range of safety stuff, on/off, WOT switch and so on.
Somebody said pressure gauge, I can see it thru the glove box door, or just peak under the dash depending.
No disrespect here, but you asked for reasons, good or bad. You got both, now you are upset you got all these cons. If you want to do it, do it, just dont ask for opinions. 
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: Thumperdart]
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01/29/14 09:52 PM
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I don't have anything under the dash. no nothing. I can open the glove box door and get to it. It would be mounted sideways, and while it wouldn't be as easy as the trunk it could be done in 5-10 minutes. Also how is it easier to turn off in the trunk? I have a lock and key. Heat? I only run in nice weather and that area gets warm as I don't have firewall insolation. How hot does it need to be? I see tons of bottles in the car, even on the floor. A lot of guys here don't even use a blanket or heater. It would be sideways but I think I can make it work. It won't be used all the time, maybe once or twice a race weekend. Maybe more if I want to run the 6.50 1/8 mile index or 10.50 1/4 index. I'm only going to run a 100-150 shot.
Next motor will be badder, just having fun w/ this one. As I understand it it's an oxidizer and not flammable. It will have a full range of safety stuff, on/off, WOT switch and so on.
Somebody said pressure gauge, I can see it thru the glove box door, or just peak under the dash depending.
If you can't run those times without NOS you need another engine builder. 
Read my above post.............. 
This engine is probably good for 10's but I'd have to swap out the 6-pack, go with more gear and convert. No thanks I DRIVE it. Also consider it's no a gutted out A-body. Anybody can make those fast. I'm guessing w/ the Cal-Trac & mono spring It should be around 11.0 w/o the bottle. I guess that's real slow.
You`re a fuuny guy........"anybody can make those fast" Ya, I see 9-second 3200 lbs.(at the time of my 9.79)driving around everyday..............and I drive my car all over but hey, thankxxx 4 the compliment.............. 
(In my best Howard Cosell voice): With that blow to the mid section sports fans, Yuck is staggering against the ropes...
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: cudadoug]
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01/29/14 10:07 PM
01/29/14 10:07 PM
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I don't have anything under the dash. no nothing. I can open the glove box door and get to it. It would be mounted sideways, and while it wouldn't be as easy as the trunk it could be done in 5-10 minutes. Also how is it easier to turn off in the trunk? I have a lock and key. Heat? I only run in nice weather and that area gets warm as I don't have firewall insolation. How hot does it need to be? I see tons of bottles in the car, even on the floor. A lot of guys here don't even use a blanket or heater. It would be sideways but I think I can make it work. It won't be used all the time, maybe once or twice a race weekend. Maybe more if I want to run the 6.50 1/8 mile index or 10.50 1/4 index. I'm only going to run a 100-150 shot.
Next motor will be badder, just having fun w/ this one. As I understand it it's an oxidizer and not flammable. It will have a full range of safety stuff, on/off, WOT switch and so on.
Somebody said pressure gauge, I can see it thru the glove box door, or just peak under the dash depending.
If you can't run those times without NOS you need another engine builder.
Read my above post..............
This engine is probably good for 10's but I'd have to swap out the 6-pack, go with more gear and convert. No thanks I DRIVE it. Also consider it's no a gutted out A-body. Anybody can make those fast. I'm guessing w/ the Cal-Trac & mono spring It should be around 11.0 w/o the bottle. I guess that's real slow.
You`re a fuuny guy........"anybody can make those fast" Ya, I see 9-second 3200 lbs.(at the time of my 9.79)driving around everyday..............and I drive my car all over but hey, thankxxx 4 the compliment..............
(In my best Howard Cosell voice): With that blow to the mid section sports fans, Yuck is staggering against the ropes...
Too funny.............I`m not trying to be a jerk here but he doesn`t have a 10-second car and not "anyone" can get their car to do what mine does or they`d be doin it all day every day............peace!
72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: RemCharger]
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01/29/14 11:02 PM
01/29/14 11:02 PM
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I ran the bottle bolted where my pass seat mounted. I liked being able to open and close,, but did have the same concerns as mentioned. Little scary.
As to the general banter,,, maybe we're upside down in the north but, stroker 9 sec dusters are common, and '70 full street 440 Chargers in the mid low 11's are something to watch. If youre priviledged enough to see one.
Cool, then I`ll fit right in...............  Keep in mind mine is a 470 w/home ported rpm heads seems most are 500+ inch w/wazoo heads but either way............
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72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: Thumperdart]
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01/29/14 11:15 PM
01/29/14 11:15 PM
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I ran the bottle bolted where my pass seat mounted. I liked being able to open and close,, but did have the same concerns as mentioned. Little scary.
As to the general banter,,, maybe we're upside down in the north but, stroker 9 sec dusters are common, and '70 full street 440 Chargers in the mid low 11's are something to watch. If youre priviledged enough to see one.
Cool, then I`ll fit right in...............
You bet! And so would your car! 
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: Thumperdart]
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01/29/14 11:16 PM
01/29/14 11:16 PM
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Sport440
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Hey Mr Yuck, I didnt see your slightly aggressive "Anybody can make a gutted out A,Body fast" when I posted. So Im not part of that. I was just trying to point out the dangers of having a nitrous bottle in the cock pit in a heated area , under the dash thats hard to monitor. Its just not the best spot. Now about that A/Body comment Yes it is easier, but not just anybody can do it. Youve done good with your Charger, keep up the good work. And be safe
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/30/14 01:12 AM
01/30/14 01:12 AM
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Wow, the bad advice and misinformation is running rampant in this thread..........LOL!!!
First off, nitrous neither burns, nor is explosive. The ONLY time a bottle will explode is if some idiot has blanked off the burst disc or the bottle has been damaged. Nitrous bottles DO NOT "just blow up".
You CAN mount the bottle under the dash, but NOT lying perfectly level. The end where the dip tube is has to be lower. If you notice guys who mount their bottles on the floor, the brackets are NOT level. The front bracket is higher.
But my main question is WHY would you want it under the dash. Hard to get to, plus I seriously doubt your car needs MORE front weight. Just put it in the trunk and if you want it easily turned on and off, just put a 1/4 valve in the car within drivers reach.
Monte
Too much "Fast and Furious" Monte.. 
Chris.. 
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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01/30/14 01:16 AM
01/30/14 01:16 AM
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I know nothing about NOS but I think this guy has the right idea.
1970 Duster
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: pittsburghracer]
#1570662
01/30/14 01:18 AM
01/30/14 01:18 AM
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And this guy needs a little bigger jet.
1970 Duster
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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: 67mprfan]
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01/30/14 02:23 AM
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You are wasting your time putting it on if you don't heat it or make the pressure 900-950 psi. How will you tune your afr if you don't keep the pressure constant? Do you normally run your car fat? Why would you with nitrous.
Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/30/14 03:06 AM
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Wow, the bad advice and misinformation is running rampant in this thread..........LOL!!!
"Sport" I agree and disagree! Lots of legit warnings IMO for putting the bottle where he wants it. As you did yourself.
First off, nitrous neither burns, nor is explosive. The ONLY time a bottle will explode is if some idiot has blanked off the burst disc or the bottle has been damaged. Nitrous bottles DO NOT "just blow up".
Monte
Yep, I agree.
But, yet, for many misinformed individuals they have burst for more reasons then you stated. Faulty valves, fatigued tanks, improper heating, etc.
I feel one should know the potential power of one such failures, no matter how it occurs.
When one states that its not flammable nor explosive like Mr Yuck states, its good to state that its not as safe as cotton candy either.
There are plenty of tank failures on the net to show otherwise, no matter how they happened. Most of them , from ignorance. And some from just outright safety mechanical failures and stupidity as you state.
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: 67mprfan]
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01/30/14 09:55 AM
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The biggest problem I see is keeping it warm and changing bottles. If your not monitoring bottle pressure you're really wasting your time and possibly your pistons.
I have a fastback barracuda, back when I ran nitrous it was a pain to change the bottle in the small trunk with the cage bar right there, I can't imagine under the dash.
So, other than the pain the rear factor, and the bottle pressure concern I see no problem.
Last edited by Bad340fish; 01/30/14 10:06 AM.
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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01/30/14 11:26 AM
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This engine is probably good for 10's but I'd have to swap out the 6-pack, go with more gear and convert. No thanks I DRIVE it. Also consider it's no a gutted out A-body. Anybody can make those fast. I'm guessing w/ the Cal-Trac & mono spring It should be around 11.0 w/o the bottle. I guess that's real slow.
get a dynamic converter 9.5, a good intake and a bigs carb.
the converter alone will gain you 2 tenths. it will be money well spent.
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Re: Tell me why I should or shouldn't
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
#1570669
01/30/14 12:10 PM
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lol, thump knows I'm just messing w/ him. I can go either way trunk is fine...it will be a much easier install. I don't know who asked but I have no idea what my AFR is. The plugs look good, it doesn't rich (well maybe a tad) I've driven a few NOS cars down the track, never installed a kit, although I did manage to do a S/C'd 440 w/ just a book. I plan on following the instructions w/ timing and fuel. It's only a 100 to start and maybe 150 for Sheets and Giggles. This isn't for running 10.5/275 class or to try and get into the 9's, it's more for fun. I bought the engine from a moparts member that was going to run a 200 shot on it in an A-body. I'm not worried about it coming apart w/ a small shot. I know a convert and 4bbl would be best however I DO NOT feel like dropping the trans. It has a nice Turbo Action in it now that works fine for now. I have the complete kit for my 6-pack and a full bottle so it's going on.
I would definitely suggest a heater and good pressure gauge to keep tabs on things regardless where you mount it. The consistency of the tune is going to heavily rely on nitrous and fuel pressure, and once you get it dialed it any big fluctuations could cause problems.
Also, as Monte mentioned, a 1/4 turn valve within arms reach is nice. I don't like the pressure sitting on the solenoids all the time, and it is easy to kill in the event of an incident, or a solenoid sticking, etc.
Faster, Faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
71 Swinger - slowly collecting dust/parts
66 Belv. II - just a streetcar
88 Mustang - turbo LS beater
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