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what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? #1562639
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what kind of engine would be needed to put this car on the consistent hi 8s?

67 Barracuda
2900 pounds
727 w/ trans brake
4,88 gears
33" slicks
cal tracks

Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: domingo] #1562640
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950 horse at the flywheel, Domingo. How about a milenium headed 572 aluminum Hemi?


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Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: domingo] #1562641
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572 B1, 572-13, as stated 950HP, giving the suspension could hold it.

Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: domingo] #1562642
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Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: qwkmopardan] #1562643
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Many different ways...

Low deck 498, Indy SR's, 101 mm turbo...

Race block stroker small block, Indy 360-1, 101 mm turbo.

Gen III stroker Hemi, 101 mm turbo.

Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1562644
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Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1562645
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Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: domingo] #1562646
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Hello,

My pick would be large cubes like has been mentioned and then I would pick the head/cam combo that provided the best valve train reliability for the long term buck.

Damon

Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: domingo] #1562647
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Well on Caltracs with a TF I am gonna say have fun

Having said that obviously weather conditions play a role. I mean running 8.99 at 0' DA is a lot easier than doing it at 4500' DA is. My Cuda was a high 8 second car in Northern CA with about an 880HP Hemi. But it is a fairly good working car. However bringing it here to Vegas transformed it into a 9.20 car pretty quickly. The same car now weighs a bit less at about 2920 and can go 8.30's here in Vegas on a good day. It now has 180 more HP than it did then.

Another way to look at it is the better and more efficient the chassis is the less HP it will take to get the job done. Just look at the Super Stock guys. Very efficient chassis and geared to the moon for ET not MPH. A car like mine is chasing MPH more than ET. I am still under geared and using a tight converter to chase MPH on the stop rather than ET on the track. In an SS or Comp type car you can likely run high 8's with 800ish HP properly geared.


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Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: domingo] #1562648
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800hp and a car that 60's 1.23 to 1.25.I know 2 that do it one is 3000lb camaro and the other is 2800+ mustang..both made 800hp give or take 10.A small block is 100lbs lighter.

Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: fishy340] #1562649
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800hp and a car that 60's 1.23 to 1.25.I know 2 that do it one is 3000lb camaro and the other is 2800+ mustang..both made 800hp give or take 10.A small block is 100lbs lighter.


I agree.....

If it takes much better than 800hp, a 1.25 60ft and 7800/8000 cross rpm, it needs a better car and converter.

Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: domingo] #1562650
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In good air it needs about 820 hp to go 8.9@151. This is assuming the chassis is dead on. Better have a good converter cause 5% slip is about 7900 rpm w/33"&4.88. Weather gets below perfect, more HP. Track less than perfect, more HP. Car less than perfect, more hp. my bet is you want closer to 900. I'd say a good set of ported -1 Indys, dominator, 280@.050 roller the more compression the better. Cu in? How tight do you want to twist it? 512@8200-572@6800, either will get you there
Doug

Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: jim sciortino] #1562651
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I was going to say 850 hp. But 950 would do it easier. My 528 hemi made 850 hp on the dyno. I have run 9.88 Et @ 141 mph in my 3950 lb 71 hemi cuda. That is with a tight street converter on caltracs. My 60 fts were terrible but I didn't get to dial the car in since I don't have a roll cage and they asked me to slow down or leave.
A true 850 hp or higher will get you there.

Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: DodgeCharger] #1562652
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One of my little 358 R5P7 engines with a torqueflite. Maybe with a glide and a perfect converter. You are stating your car is 2,900. It will be lighter with one of these engines too.

Leon


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Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: Leon441] #1562653
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Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: dakotawilly] #1562654
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a 471 10 to 1 sr head motor with a 200 kit. ride all over and blast it.

Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: plycuda] #1562655
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.030 over flat top piston 440. Pocket ported Edelbrock rpm's. .640 lift flat tappet cam. M-1 intake and a dominator. 2 stage nitrous system, hit it with 225 30 ft. out, then stack 175 on it when you shift to second. With that much gear in the car, you will probably have to lift off the 2nd stage at about 1100 ft., but it will pull hard enough in the middle to get you an 8.90 at about 145.

Since you saved so much on the engine, you will be able to upgrade the converter a few times until it can handle the abuse.


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Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: domingo] #1562656
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Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: Leon441] #1562657
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One of my little 358 R5P7 engines with a torqueflite. Maybe with a glide and a perfect converter. You are stating your car is 2,900. It will be lighter with one of these engines too.

Leon




I plan to take this route and spray a little. Just one last LA motor and then it's all going away to start the swap

Re: what engine would it take to put this car on the 8s? [Re: domingo] #1562658
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After thinking about this, I over shot big time...

My motor, which is a stock block with home ported Eddy heads, 389 inches, .520 hydraulic cam would run mid 9's at 2900 lbs. To lose the additional .5 seconds, all it would take would be a race block, slightly bigger cam and 88 mm turbo...

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