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KV Fuel Hoses Vendor #1540869
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Who sells KV fuel line in large/bulk lengths?

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I think you can buy it by the foot from ECS http://www.ecsautomotive.com/productdesc.php?co=c&id=60


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I know Frank baldason sells it by the foot, however much you want. But I think you are wanting to cut out the middle man. That would be nice.

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ECS only sells the small sections for fuel filters. I will try Frank, I was considering making some myself, some of the reproduction stuff I've seen is quite a bit different from original pieces I have when it comes to the details

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3 foot sections here:
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FYI, my 69 340 did not have a KV hose to the fuel pump.

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FAyI, my 69 340 did not have a KV hose to the fuel pump.




Was it EB fuel hose? Most 69 and prior Mopars used EB vendor and not KV

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You can up to a 25' roll thru Dave at Restoration Specialites

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Bill, Restoration Specialties in In Windber PA?

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Scott, shame you can't get the EB fuel line made up. There is a huge hole in the market for that area.

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Scott, shame you can't get the EB fuel line made up. There is a huge hole in the market for that area.





My car used KV lines so I'm not compromising by using them. I am however looking into getting the EB lines made, makes sense, a lot of cars used them (most 1969's and back in fact).

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Excellent news! Please keep us informed if you should or when you should get it out on the market! I know of 3 cars that I can install them on in my barn! lol

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Do any of the vendors for this reproduction KV hose state that it is compatable with todays fuels?
Thanks!

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Mega parts sells it by the foot. I was wondering about the pump gas compatibility too.

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I was informed that they will live with ethanol.

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My original KV hose has very nice crisp looking letters. All the repro stuff I've seen has larger, more sloppy looking letters. I don't think you'll be happy with it Scott.

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If it looks bad Ill use it on my driver.......Until I can make better versions

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FAyI, my 69 340 did not have a KV hose to the fuel pump.




Was it EB fuel hose? Most 69 and prior Mopars used EB vendor and not KV




It is marked EB

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My original KV hose has very nice crisp looking letters. All the repro stuff I've seen has larger, more sloppy looking letters. I don't think you'll be happy with it Scott.




In addition to the poor print quality the ink smears off while youre trying to push the hose onto the fitting.
DAMHIK!

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Does anyone know who actually reproduces the KV hose and where is it made?? BTW, "KV" stood for what company?

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Bill, Restoration Specialties in In Windber PA?




Yes, they bought out / took over all aspects of QQE

another one you may try is
http://www.deadnutson.com/page/page/2526992.htm

He is not just mustang stuff.
As an FYI, He supplies Frank Badalson / Roger Gibson with his hose

Re: KV Fuel Hoses Vendor [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1540890
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Scott, can you put the markings on a power steering hose? My originals are good, just can't read the lettering.

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I can't put markings on anything....Yet. I'm working on it though!

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Sorry for digging up an old thread but has anyone else seen a mix of lines. I have an early March build AAR, all original clamps in place, soft line fwd (engine bay side) is EB and carries a D10319 marking as well. The soft line at the back is the KV line.

From the looks of this thread if I need EB line I'll be making it.

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Can you post pics of your originals?

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Sure, heres the front line

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Yes, looks OEM alright. EB seemed to have been phased out after 1969/70, I haven't seen any sources for it to date. I'm working on getting it and others properly reproduced but it's a challenge for sure and will be a while.

There are a lot of reproduction rubber hoses and lines out now (for most applications) that compared originals, aren't even close! It's an area of O.E. restoration detail that needs A LOT of improvement

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Totally agree, most of the KV hose markings I've seen the "K" isn't even in the ballpark.
I may have to see what I can do to replicate it myself, a difficult task, but if I have to do the EB line, It'll just be another marking.

So have you ever seen where the hose on the front and back don't match?
Hard to believe I got the very last section of EB and they were forced to use KV in the back.

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No, haven't seen that but there was certainly some mixed inventory, afterall, it was just a rubber fuel line built to spec, didn't matter who supplied it. Also, some items were delivered to the assembly line with the rubber fuel lines already attached (fuel filters, etc.) so there may have been source differentials depending on the item and the vendor.

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How many times have you heard that the reason old lines have such faded looking ink stamps on the lines because of age/heat/wear, etc.? Here's the same one on that filter, been in the dark since forever, it's NOT faded, it looked that way when new.

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Scott,

Remember our 69 GTX vert that has a SPO date of 10/3/68 had the EB fuel lines up front and the KV in the back too. Seems that they were using it in late 68 also.

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Yes, like most everything, there was vendor supply overlap. Sometimes 3 or more vendors supplied the same line, same thing happens in todays manufacturing world. I have seen MOSTLY EB lines on pre 1970 cars, I cant say when KV products hit Mopar but I I'm guessing by what I've seen it was 1968 or so.

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Awhile back I bought some dayco or thermoid emissions hose at the local parts store.
It said SAE 30R7 KX in the same font and size as the original KV marked hose I was replacing on my 79 B-van.

I know 30R7 is the SAE rating of the hose (not for fuel injection) but the KX part caught my attention…

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Hey Scott,
All the repo KV hose is made by a hot stamping machine, originally of course it was printed on a rotary dial machine.
I always had rubber stamps made and used an ink that was diluted slightly.
I have found a lot of variations on hoses used, from plant to plant especially.
Here are a few pics. As you can see, some have dates, most do not.

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EB with date

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KV PCV-69 car
As you can see, Gates wasn't the only PCV hose out there

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Another style Gates PCV hose

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I'll stop for now, but you get the idea of the variety. As you can see, it's not always as easy as some people make it out to be, as what is, and what isn't correct for a restoration.


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I agree 100% Paul, and as you can see, NONE of the available reproductions out there match those original samples close enough to call them "O.E.", IMO anyway.

FWIW I have a multiple PCV hoses from original 340's that look just like your first example above (KV). I also bought an NOS one and it looks just as faded as the used originals.

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Found these fuel filter shorties some time back at a Mopar Parts Supplier inventory where they had sat since the 70's.

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Found these fuel filter shorties some time back at a Mopar Parts Supplier inventory where they had sat since the 70's.




Are you completly sure about that? I'm having issues trying to enlarge the photo and remain clear but the lettering does not seem to match that of samples I've seen from early 70's production.

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Found these fuel filter shorties some time back at a Mopar Parts Supplier inventory where they had sat since the 70's.




Are you completly sure about that? I'm having issues trying to enlarge the photo and remain clear but the lettering does not seem to match that of samples I've seen from early 70's production.


Well they were close enough for Dave from ECS as they are shown here on his site. http://www.ecsautomotive.com/productdesc.php?co=c&id=60
Dave purchased them from me several years ago.
Here's a picture of one of some singles I have left.

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Found these fuel filter shorties some time back at a Mopar Parts Supplier inventory where they had sat since the 70's.




Are you completly sure about that? I'm having issues trying to enlarge the photo and remain clear but the lettering does not seem to match that of samples I've seen from early 70's production.


Well they were close enough for Dave from ECS as they are shown here on his site. http://www.ecsautomotive.com/productdesc.php?co=c&id=60
Dave purchased them from me several years ago.
Here's a picture of one of some singles I have left.




I'll chalk it up to a blurry image on the first photo, but certainly the last photo looks legit

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Scott let me ax a question? On my power steering hoses, both pressure, and return, my originals are still good, but the print is almost gone, so what would be better a repo that you can read, or a unreadable original. I had the ends of the pressure line re plated.

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Just took this tonight, it is an original from a 1970 Hemi Charger fuel pump, fuel pump dated L9 (November 1969)

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Re: KV Fuel Hoses Vendor [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1540921
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so what would be better a repo that you can read, or a unreadable original. I had the ends of the pressure line re plated.





If you are shooting for O.E. correct, the faded original would be "more correct" (IMO, results may vary depending on the judging body), also, you could lose points for pitting or a non original plating color etc. that is evident on your original parts, but I'd still lean towards that scenario as opposed to a reproduction.

Re: KV Fuel Hoses Vendor [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1540922
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I just like the thought of using as much of the original stuff as possible. Two rubber hoses that are still useable is kinda neat to me. Even the red clamps are still good.

Re: KV Fuel Hoses Vendor [Re: 71birdJ68] #1540923
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Our 69 GTX still has its original power steering pressure line and the rubber is in great shape. The stamped lettering on it is very faded and almost not able to be read. The gold cad metal ends on it still has some of the plating left but we are going to send it out to have it replated since the plating is almost totally gone on one end and very little left on the other end. I, too, would love to find a way to get the yellow lettering back onto the rubber part of the hose though.

Re: KV Fuel Hoses Vendor [Re: gtx6970] #1540924
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Bill, Restoration Specialties in In Windber PA?




Yes, they bought out / took over all aspects of QQE

another one you may try is
http://www.deadnutson.com/page/page/2526992.htm

He is not just mustang stuff.
As an FYI, He supplies Frank Badalson / Roger Gibson with his hose




That Dead Nuts guy makes some incredible pieces. He's not afraid to charge for them either.

Brake Booster Hose writeup from his site

The Story Behind the Hose

After discovering Marti Autoworks and other Mustang parts supplier didn't make this hose I checked with Ed Meyer. Ed told me the Mopar guys did a poor reproduction of this hose but it was all that was available. I ordered one for my car anyway then compared it to some of my originals. The reproductions ink color was wrong, the font type was way off, the date code wasn’t smaller than the rest of the type and the printing method was modern. I then decided to reproduce the hose to my standards. After a year of work I’m finally happy with the results. The yellow ink color was custom mixed to get it just right. Each letter needed to be custom made to match originals since the font they used on the originals is not available. The date codes are a smaller size so they also had to be made one letter at time. Modern rubber hose printing equipment failed to get the right look so I custom made a hose printer and process that replicated the manufactures original process. I ended up with brake booster hose that looks Dead Nuts On to me.


www.DetroitMuscleTechnologies.com Mopar body and heater box restoration gaskets
Re: KV Fuel Hoses Vendor [Re: 71TA] #1540925
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71TA. Can you post pics of ypur reproductions, better yet, side by side with the originals you used for patterns?

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