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High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? #1540569
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Hands down Goodyear tires work the BEST on my car(31.014.0/15)but they go away after 30 or so passes. Yes I am running tubes,tire screws,running enough pressure(12 lbs.),have wheelie bars,and I rotate every time or two at the track. My car is heavy(3600)with a brake and low 1.30's are the norm until they go away.Then they become unpredictable spinning and going one direction or the other. Put new ones on and all is well again!!!
I race practically every weekend during the summer and I don't want to go broke again this year.
Does anyone else have good luck with other brands (longevity) with their HEAVY wheel standers? Car is a 70 B body mini tubbed with 572 wedge.
Thanks Mike

Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: 70satelliteguy] #1540570
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MT 29.5x10.5S

Stiff sidewall is what its all about. Been 1.28 60ft and 141mph with this tire and we usaully get about 50-60 passes before the sidewall takes a toll. Still a lot of rubber, just no sidewall.

By the way we are at about 3600 too.

Casey

Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: Whompin_Wedge] #1540571
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We use Goodyear and Hoosier and see the same issue,sidewalls before the thread wears out.

Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: B G Racing] #1540572
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How many tire threads do we need? 10.5W MT is stiff sidewall.


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Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: B G Racing] #1540573
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Sorry op. not trying to jack,but i have a ? is there a visual way of determining if side walls or going/gone away?

Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: racerx] #1540574
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Sorry op. not trying to jack,but i have a ? is there a visual way of determining if side walls or going/gone away?




Many times you can let the air out and actually feel the seperation of plys in the side wall.

Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: racerx] #1540575
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Sorry op. not trying to jack,but i have a ? is there a visual way of determining if side walls or going/gone away?




Like Bob (BG Racing) said, but the biggest/easiest way is
to check the runs and when the 60' starts dropping
the walls are going away.. I can tell you how many
runs are on my tires based on the 60'... at 1.23 I need
new tires(starts at 1.19 60')

Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1540576
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Sorry op. not trying to jack,but i have a ? is there a visual way of determining if side walls or going/gone away?




Like Bob (BG Racing) said, but the biggest/easiest way is
to check the runs and when the 60' starts dropping
the walls are going away.. I can tell you how many
runs are on my tires based on the 60'... at 1.23 I need
new tires(starts at 1.19 60')





Now do you get more runs out of your tires at a lighter weight?


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Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1540577
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Thanks for the reply's.

I looked up the 29.5 X10.5S MT .It requires a 10.0 in. rim and only has a 10.0 width.The track where I race is not always "great" in track prep.A 10.0 in. tire may be borderline trying to hook up my car most of the time. My rims are 12.0 inches The o.d of 29.5 would also mess with my gear ratio. I am also afraid it might look kinda funny on my car being so small(10.0 in.) . It might work sometimes and not wear out as fast but I don't think it is the tire for me
Thanks Mike



Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1540578
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Sorry op. not trying to jack,but i have a ? is there a visual way of determining if side walls or going/gone away?




Like Bob (BG Racing) said, but the biggest/easiest way is
to check the runs and when the 60' starts dropping
the walls are going away.. I can tell you how many
runs are on my tires based on the 60'... at 1.23 I need
new tires(starts at 1.19 60')





Now do you get more runs out of your tires at a lighter weight?




I get about 80 runs on a set then I sell them... I
hit them pretty hard... just the standard side wall
but with tubes... I replace the tubes with every 2
sets of tires... if I run a lot of 10.0 stuff then
I can double the number of runs or even up to three
times the runs(depending on how many runs are at WOT
on the launches with the 10.0 stuff)

Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: 70satelliteguy] #1540579
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Ours last around the same (29.5 x 10.5) 30 ish passes and the 60fts drop off. The car becomes inconsistent and feels loose/floaty through the top end. We tried stiff sidewalls but the car just didn't seem to like them
A friend of ours tried out a pair of old ones we were throwing away despite my insistence they would be no good, one pass was all he made!
I guess it's the price you pay for a heavy car and hi HP. Caltracs seem to hit the tyre hard too.
HTH's


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Boy am I glad I don't race a heavy car. My 2250-2300 pound Daytona does 1.21-1.23 60 foots with the cords showing and my 2850 pound small block duster does 1.38's till the wear holes are gone. I couldn't afford to race a FAT car.


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Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1540581
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You make more steam than me, and different size tire to boot, but we are close on weight 3740 here, and wheels up, but I have good luck with MT stiffwalls with tubes, screws, I run 31/10.5W/15, Ive run all brands and have better longivity with MT and Phoenix than the others, dont know if that applies to your car much, but have you tried the MT?

Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: wyoming] #1540582
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What kind of rear suspension are you running? Ladder or leaf springs? How fast are you running? I was having similar a problem. I switched over to ladder bars, got the car as low as I could make it in the rear and switched over to 10.5 x 30 Hoosier radials. I also tied down the front end to control the wheelies, very hard on oil pans. My tire life improved, I average about 100 runs a year on the car and average around 50 runs on the slicks. I probably could stretch them more if I didn't get as crazy in the burnout box! The tires also are just about the same from beginning to end. I am also heavy, 3700lbs. My best is 9.08 @ 147 and 60' at 1.25.

Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: montessa] #1540583
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"I guess it's the price you pay for a heavy car and hi HP. "

I am beginning to realize this!!!

Suspension is ladder bars. Car runs best of 9.40's on motor and high 8's on juice.
Guess I should be happy I am not trying to keep tires on a pro stock or a fuel car!
Thanks Mike

Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: 70satelliteguy] #1540584
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Not as fast (down into 9.80s) and not as heavy (3200) but hitting the tires pretty hard with the stick. Have 180 passes on these w/best 60' at the end of this year 1.34. Twisted an axle and an axle tube with these when I had caltracs, much smoother w/the ladder bars
29.5 x 10.5S Am happy with them


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I have MT 1074S 14X32`s on mine. They work well on my stick car as well
The tires are 21yrs old tho.

But to answer the question : I have REALLY punished these tires.
Learning the hard way with too much clutch,broken ladder-bar mounts/bent frame connectors/broken ring&pinion/violent wheelstands.
Tires were the most predictable part.

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Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: 70satelliteguy] #1540586
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Thanks for the reply's.

I looked up the 29.5 X10.5S MT .It requires a 10.0 in. rim and only has a 10.0 width.The track where I race is not always "great" in track prep.A 10.0 in. tire may be borderline trying to hook up my car most of the time. My rims are 12.0 inches The o.d of 29.5 would also mess with my gear ratio. I am also afraid it might look kinda funny on my car being so small(10.0 in.) . It might work sometimes and not wear out as fast but I don't think it is the tire for me
Thanks Mike







We run a 12inch wheel as well. Look at the 31 x 10.5W stiff sidewall too.

Casey

Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: 6bblFLASH] #1540587
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We have the same issue the car doesn't do monster wheelstands but chassis is so terrible that the only way to get it to hook is leave off the T-brake at 4600 so after 40 passes the 60 fits would just climb (best ever was 1.29 the normal is 1.37) car is at John Holts now getting sorted out waiting to see what slick he recommends with our new combo.


Montessa your car is amazing! To be running those numbers at your weight and suspension... That's one heck of a set up

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Re: High HP, heavy car,wheelstands-best tire??? [Re: Wv68charger] #1540588
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boy those tires look like they could use some more air pressure

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